It is not a secret that the United Ethiopian Democratic Forces (UEDF) is waging an all out attack against the Alliance for Freedom and Democracy (AFD)...
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dan
Aug 28, 2006 - 2:30AM
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ER - Good point. On this particular editorial, I applaud you. I hope you soon stop being trojan horse for Khaditu.
Their you are
Aug 28, 2006 - 3:06AM
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Elias trying to get good responce from ER readrs
but i am not 100% sure you stand on what you wrote .
any way it looks good to me that you support AFD .
science
Aug 28, 2006 - 3:33AM
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CUD made a great mistake by joining the so called '' allience for freedom....''. I thhink UEDF is in a right track!!!
VIVA UEDF
An all out war is being orchestrated against the UEDF just because UEDF issued a correct statement regarding the unjustifiable and shameful act of Shabia.
We were very shocked by the unethical, incompetent and immature style of reporting of the Negat Radio defending the acts of shabiya. The coordinated effort of the Negat radio reporters to harass the UEDF official ended in a very embarrassing end. They proved for us only one thing: they are just low level thugs and can’t even do decent reporting!
And now you (ER) are trying to breathe life to the defeated radio Negat hooligans by taking the lead to attack the UEDF one more time.
UEDF stand taken on the issue of our flag is CORRECT!. You don’t have any business to question their stand. Defending Shaabia with clumsy and weak arguments just like Negat radio did will not help you. It raises interesting questions. What is going on there?
UEDF refusal not to dance with the unholy alliance of AFD baboons is also CORRECT. The UEDF official in his interview on Negat radio has underlined the fact that the present AFD- Shaabia alliance has no difference from the former TPLF and Shaabia alliance. Its core objective is not the interest of Ethiopian people. The gentleman is right and most Ethiopians agree with this. We need a lasting solution. AFD is not a solution. It is an instrument to power for greedy individuals. It has a problem.
NEG
Aug 28, 2006 - 4:05AM
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ER,
Questions:
1. What is your purpose, your motive for writing the article?
2. Is your purpose to deny the Flag inicdent in Asmara?
3. If you think UEDF has legitimate concerns which AFD must answer, then how come you also say UEDF has no persuasive argument?
4. Do you or do you not question UEDF's motive? What are you questioning? Do you think UEDF has a clear motive, a reason to attack AFD?
5. You say the Ethiopian people desire Woyane to be removed by any force (ie even anti-Ethiopian forces). Where did you get you evidence? What is the proof that Ethiopian people want Isayas to remove Meles?
6. You listed EPPF first, CUDP 2nd, and OLF 3rd. Is is the reality? Is EPPF the most dominant force in the alliance? How does OLF list the partners?
7. IS Kinijit a military party? Has Kinijit changed its political philosophy? Have you been approved or delegated to announce this new position? By doing so, are serving Kinijit or somebody else?
8. So, What is your motive?
9. You were campaigning for Ato Zewdalem Kebede, the foreign spokesman of EPPF. Are campaigning for him?
10. So, what is your motive?
11. We have never heard from members or supporters of AFD that AFD is a military organization. Where did you get your facts?
12. Why would not AFD tell the world that it is a military organization and should be supported?
13. Does the memorandum talk about the military might of AFD or does it say it is a peaceful organization?
14. If AFD accepts the constitution, why armed struggle?
15. So are you defending Isayas on the flag issue? Are you advocating EPPF or are you publicizing your forum ?
Mekki
Aug 28, 2006 - 5:48AM
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AFD can move forward and gain strength if it listens to the concern of its members and supporters and actually whoever poses the questions to AFD, UEDF or the general public should not matter. AFD has to give a timely response.
AFD has to resume its conference meetings it has began all over the world. It has not only listen to the concern of its supporters but also has to educate!
Above all, AFD MUST bring all opposition groups under its wing. It has to restart talking to UEDF immediately. It has to bring ALL opposition parties/fronts in the alliance. The all-inclusive democratisation process MUST begin now.
Also it is very unfair to expect AFD to resolve all problems and give answers to all question right at the time of its inception or even now. The complexities of ethiopia's problem is immense and needs time and patience.
We must recognise that AFD has a lot of work to do ahead of it. Here I find Amoraw ferede's article very relevent and AFD has to look at it seriously. I will post it next.
Also i believe the above article should be everybody's discussion topic.
Gowaa~
Aug 28, 2006 - 6:04AM
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Dear Elias,
I could not at all understand you motive behind AFD. First of all AFD has not yet told us clearly even the purpose of its occurence. It has been only you who have been talking much about it. Yet, you yourself have never told us the key commong items on which the alliance was made. Simply you over say about AFD which most of us are thinking the potential danger of the existing struggle against TPLF. Okay, let's say AFD is an ideally created alliance at right time. But the public atleast know what common grounds were there among the parties that formed the alliance and what is the purpose. otherwise it is really ridiculus just saying accept AFD as the worlds of Lord. We do not accept this.
To tell you the truth I do not care what ever UEDF says. I also understand the rubishs of UEDF. UEDF is standing against AFD simply for its own profit. It is not really protesting for the sake of Ethiopia and Ethiopians. After all, UEDF members were there during the formulation of the poisnous constitution of Ethiopia. Beyene, who was also UEDF (even chairing)was one of the top supporter of the constitution including article 39. Yes, OLF it self was there during this poison on to Ethiopia was being formulated. All who ever member or against AFD can not in the will and interest of the ethiopian people. all are doing for thier own cheap benefit. Not for Ethiopians. No, no one can foolish us again.
What do you thing the difference between TPLF and parties like OLF. Do thing any? For me no! OLF, with most brutal experience and still hateful sentiment against other Ethiopian can never be allianced unless it asks the public for all crimes it commited first.
Elias, you do not at all understand the pain to Ethiopian or your intentionally doing all to favor TPLF and its clones like OLF for further suffering of Ethiopians.
The film (of dishonouring our flag) is not TPLF trap. UEDF are not falling into Meles trap. Is there more important thing than our national flag? What is wrong to denounce the desecration of it? Shame on you who become mouth-piece of Lidetu, and now OLF & the likes
This attempt of discrediting AFD by UEDF is really deplorable. Why should the motives of AFD's member organisations be questioned for actions the Eritreans took, unless they are heard condoning that action? UEDF's line on this point is a classic act of intrigue whereby you place your opponent between the hard and the rock. If they are to denounce the act publicly, they would be at loggerheads with the only country that allows them to run their offices. If they stay quiet they would strengthen the seeds of doubt already sown by UEDF in the earlier dates about Shabia writing the script for the show.
Fassika, Negede & Aregawi are aiming off target, unless I am wrong in my belief about them being leaders of forces of opposition against Meles' brutal regime. I used to believe that UEDF & AFD have much in common despite their diffrences on some matters which reduce to technicalities under closer scrutiny. But, the recent turn of events seem to indicate that there is a persistent attempt to dress these technicalities with matters of psedo-principles. UEDF in moving along these lines seem to forget that, there are matters close to most Ethiopians' hearts than the petty feuds between the two organisations mainly driven by this outdated "highlander" culture called "ELLIH" (obstinacy or stubbornness).
If UEDF is true to what it professes with regard to the AFD, what it needs to do as a force true to Ethiopian intersts is to engage constructively with AFD and/or its component organisations. Nothing short of that would be comprehensible to people who put the fight against Woyane's brutal regime at the forefront of Ethiopia's political agenda.
Breket Jegnaw
Aug 28, 2006 - 7:30AM
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I am enjoying the insults being thrown around by you neftegnoch and Tebaboch. I now feel happy in what we did in May 2005 and after that. It is good to keep you out of power.
ELIAS is a real good person when it comes to serving us. When I read some of his "comments", I say to myslef "Why do we waste our bullets when the neftegnoch and Tebaboch can kill each other?"
Wow Elias Kifle you are real flip-flop. What a dangerous position you are playing in Ethiopian poletics. I thought you are journalist. What is the ethics of journalism. Can you explain this for all of us? One time very recently againist the AFD and now againist UEDF and especially what surprised me is your promotion of the so called EPPF which is functioning not more than as a border patrol for Shabya. Did you see one of EPPF founder and leader recieving reward from Esayas Afeworki and at the same time destroying the Ethiopian flag in front of him in their 15th year independence day.
pls. stop banning ppl. when they opposed your ideas
TsegaZeAb
Aug 28, 2006 - 8:24AM
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Elias;
Are you saying the flag desecretion was TPLF's creation? Many Hamassien guys, Eritreans, already acknowledged that they did what we saw on the TV. What is wrong with UEDF condemning that?
However, I understand why AFD guys kept silent. I don't have any opposition to AFD, but what have they done so far? Can you share with us some of the activities that they may have performed?
abdu abebe
Aug 28, 2006 - 9:11AM
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You have made a tremendous analysis regarding both the AFD and UEDF
ER,
YOu said the truth as it is,
But it is known at the end of the day Uedf can do whatever to promote woyanes agenda just like Kihdetu but the Ethiopian people know that our leaders are in jail and there is not time to entertain woyanes propagandas But fight the enemy United so we can win soon.
we don't have space for division, we need just unity against a common enemy. And ADF is way forward, so ignore Uedf, just like we have to ignore woyane propaganda machine and agents.
Ewenetu Zegaye
Aug 28, 2006 - 9:36AM
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For once you have tried to be balanced.
"The pressure should not be on UEDF alone. ER has observed that OLF and Kinijit have not been accommodative to UEDF's concerns. They have not even been willing to spend sufficient time to consider some of UEDF's legitimate concerns. Hopefully, this will be corrected."ER
Since both OLF and Konijit have hijacked a genuine political proposal to bring ALL POLICAL, and CIVIC forces, it is incumbent upon them to work hard to bring ALL CONCERNED to the table. A broad coalition like AFD MUST NOT BE FOUNDED on expedency, political treachery and above all must not be exclusionary. I for one hope you and your readers will give an iota of credence to HIBRET ( that has fought side by side with centerist and unionst forces )like the one you have forwared ( to your newly found respect and commitment ) the OLF, SLF and ONLF. Nothing will be resolved by continous condemenations, fanning of contradictions, alleged allegations and paranoia that HIBRET is out there to destroy AFD. HIBRET is only saying the forces that have built the Alliance have laid a faulty foundation, LET IT BE RECTIFIED. Nothing more, nothing less. SEKENE ENBEL SELE ETHIOPIA !!!!!
Reality check !!
Aug 28, 2006 - 9:48AM
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Bravo !!! Elias !!! The true son of Ethiopia !!! keep up the good Job !!!
BIRI
Aug 28, 2006 - 10:29AM
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Dear Ato Elias:
You have raised several interesting points. What Ethiopia and her unfortunate children need most is not someone who declares total 'loyalty', but rather those who can show the strategic and pratical ways of overcoming what are real challenges in an all-inclusive way. I think it is silly to point score against each other simply for personal or group gratification objectives with no added value in tackling the fundamental challenges Ethiopia faces.
How many are 'saints' of this world, anyway?
As the honourable Mahatma Ghandhi had cleverly put it:''We must become the change we want to see'' if we were to have any leverage to finding resolution to problems.
The issue of who is more patriotic is determined by the difficult and yet necessary steps we take as a collective entity rather than by appealing to an own ego in the hope that our opponents may come out looking discomforted.
UEDF, AFD and other organisations are judged on the merits of leading the nation toward a national redemption by resolving real democratic demands than on any partisan politics that leaves antagonism heightened and the ongoing intact.
Hence, it is time that everyone stops and reflects on how to move toward a compromise, more importantly, on how to provide a collective leadership.
Anything else is a wasted time. Let all remember that the Ethiopian people are intelligent enough to know the difference between the forces for evil and those for good. TPLF/EPRDF's failures emanated from a lack of understanding of this basic fact!
Elias promoted Kihidetu, now he is resorting to promote AFD of Shabia. We have to start to reconsider the motive of this confused and unorganized person called Elias. Where is his Tegbar?
Open your minds!
Aug 28, 2006 - 11:05AM
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Why are you guys still talking about Lidetu? Most of the people who are talking about Lidetu are worthless thugs with no current or future contribution to Ethiopian politics. You are only picking one name that helps you have something in common and keep talking about that person for the sake of belonging to the group. Get over it and wake up and smell the coffee. Meles is still in office and you are wasting your time, and our time talking about Lidetu. If you really care about your country, focus on making a difference by participating in real politics, not spreading rumor with no evidence. The stage is open for discussion, use it to your benefit. If you are unable to participate in the discussion and all you want to do is talk about Lidetu, you need to find another place to do that. Leave this stage for those with some brain.
Peace!!
ZAGWE
Aug 28, 2006 - 1:03PM
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Ok ER, What are you up to now.
Last time you were painting Lidetu’s as a savior of freedom and a young warrior who just made a quick decision and his actions are acceptable regardless of his huge mistakes.
UEDF actions so far has more trustworthy and full of truth than yours.
Just one question, are you painting “the desecration of the Ethiopian flag in Asmara on at a recent event, the video was doctored by TPLF agents” is manipulated video or a true situation? Can you answer this?
Long Live Ethiopia!
Shumet Menywab
Aug 28, 2006 - 1:13PM
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Elias on some points he draws people on his side on other points those people who were appreciative of his skills of journalism become really surprise to become against him. What he does is some times he shakes the apple and the orange trees the same time to mixe the ground. Though I know it is a matter of choice for people which fruit to pick to eat because it is not really hard to help him clean the ground, but what it is hard is when he mixes oranges with lemons because on these ones, some times his fruits do confuse people which one to pick.
To me this time, Elias has some valid points if his intention is to correct one by supporting another to make both stronger. As to me, the AFD is one hard challenge the Ethiopian people have to face today rather than tomorrow. Ethiopia and its politics is not like it used to be anymore. Many of its children were and still being confused on how to solve their common problem, to be free of being opressed by a few individuals. I really believe people who live in Ethiopia, regardless of different ethnic backgrounds, they were and still are being a victim of few individualls who were and still are treating them un fairly. This unfair treatment is happening because the people of Ethiopia never had and have a chance to elect choice choice of leaders not for once but for every limited terms. To first give a chance this term election, it is a good will to work out some differences by sitting down and talk some of the very future problems right now. AFD is one good start that needs a hard and very difficult work today. It will be easier today rather than tomorrow. I know the OLF's policy and the relationship with Esayias is one big problem for any individual or party who is really honest about Ethiopian well beings. But things are not permanent. Who will tell the truth that if the OLF goes its own way today and have creatded 'Oromia state' tomorrow, the relationship with Esayias will be the same. Instead of being frightened today by this relationship, it is wise to approuch and challenge the future. When I said things are not permanent, I am also saying if there is hard work today, that is to challenge the ethnic based parties by showing them honestly working for all people's freedom, who says OLF will not change its policy. As long as free press and freedom to vote is granted based on idivadual freedom, people's thinking will be absolutely different. So let us face one of the future challenge today rather than tomorrow by joining the AFD for talk and hard work a head of it.
The AFD also has to show us some progressive agendas and programs that will tell us it is doing its job today rather than tomorrow.
Shumet
Email Ethiopia Shall teach her children through God Website
Reality check !!
Aug 28, 2006 - 1:14PM
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Kudos !!! Elias !!!
When the brillient mind of Elias speaks the truth and the only truth, without being intimidated, it is expected that woyane agents in the name of CUDP or UEDF or boldly as woyane rants about the reality. They simply go bannas, bezirk and kinky !!! The truth will always win, and the truth is on the side of Elias. He has been a target for a while when he openely speaks his mind !! He is not doing it behind the door !!!
Keep up the good Job !!! Tell the truth !!! Do not get intimidated !!!
NEG
Aug 28, 2006 - 1:14PM
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IS ELIAS RUNNING OUT IDEAS TO KEEP HIS FORUM RUNNING?
mILLIONS OF PEOPLE ASKED VERY LEGITIMATE AND CRITICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT AFD. AFD NEVER ANSWERED. IT DOES NOT RESPECT THE PEOPLE, IT DOES NOT CARE WHAT PEOPLE THINK BECAUSE IT IS ESSENTAILLY A NON-ETHIOPIAN ORGANIZATION. ELIAS IDENTIFIES HIS CAREER WITH AFD AT HIS OWN PERIL.
Gedlu
Aug 28, 2006 - 1:18PM
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Elias is like pendulum changing position with the direction of the wind. You are with no firm stand,
it is obvious AFD is made in Shabya. Do you think we be live you Shaby is forking for the best of Ethiopian Interest? No way sir.UEDF is always Ethiopian and made by Ethiopians.
Your comment on UEDF running out of arguments against AFD is only works to solicit angry response from supporters of HIBRET so that you will claim how UEDF
orchestrated and managed the response hence blame your arch-enemy EPRP behind it. Mr. Elias, you have a history of flip-flapping and play the role of agent provocateur. Your are always entitled to your opinion but not the facts. Your problem rises from the fact that you only see things in its simplest forms,black and white. This kind of thinking is rampant in the Ethiopian diaspora community. You seem to serve this group very well indeed. But this group is shrinking and most of them are Wise up and are joining the serious existential struggle. And I hope you join them too. You will contribute a great deal by playing a constructive role from the inside than repressively left behind and become irrelevant.
God help us all!!
The formation of AFD in this summer in Holland was a direct result of the May 2005 stolen election. Those courageous leaders who are now in jail exposed this brutal racist regime for what it is for their western financiers and oppositon forces who did not participate in this stolen election realized that Ethiopians are ready to change their government peacefully.
It is this understanding who brought AFD and some are still living in the time of 1991 where we were only tlking about liberation but do not know how to do it beyond guns.
After May 2005 those who are fighting this regime by defending themselves and their people and others only with people support and no guns come together to fight this fascist regime.
Denouncing movements like OLF, ONLF and Sidama Liberation movements for fighting to defend their peoples right is not going to bring us the United Ethiopia rather strenghten the hands of the minority regime by weakening the alliance.
AFD is a reality and by helping and rally behind it we will shorten the life of Melese Zenawi.
First when learn the formation of AFD; I was excited as I was when the first election process took place, full of hope end of cyclic tyranny of Ethiopia. But the same time I read news release of OLF about AFD formation. It sounds promising but the footnote of this script clued me the ultimate bad news, their head quarter is in Asmara. That is the dead end of their politics. Shebia never been the friend of Ethiopian people or it couldn't be. To describe well the relation of shebia with mamma Ethiopia, I'll use this analogy: A patient with a tumor tissue, his/her best treatment is to remove the bad tissue. Otherwise, this bad tissue grow into cancer infect the whole organ and it become hard to deal with. Finally it will deny the existence of the patient. This is what I see about their intention. Fellow Ethiopians don't compromise their evil doing and disgracing our ID (flag) for their friendship. Later, they will stab you at the back...
UEDF is accusing Beneye Petros of aiding and abating the Meles dictatorial regime, but they are themeselves becoming propaganda tool for the dictator by attacking AFD. AFD is the only hope of Ethiopians to have the Meles regime removed by armed struggle.
Thank you ER for bringing this important issue to the
attention of Ethiopians.
No, UEDF is not waging an all out attack against AFD. AFD has enough headache of its OWN doing...UEDF is aiming its struggle against Woyane cadres that are stomping major US cities to drum up support for Woyane's failed policies. UEDF is busy exposing the atrocities of Woyane cadres and the terrorist campaings against journalists, sudents, political leaders at home. UEDF has been busy summing up the recent experiences of the opposition struggle by holding numerous events in Ethiopian communities particulary in July and August 2006.
“UEDF is being criticized by many that the real reason it is opposing the Alliance is because it is not leading it”. I hate to disillusion you Mr. Elias, but it is the Ethiopian people who decide who should lead them. And they have made their voices heard. The struggle is to free them from Kaliti now!!!!
Elias you are not persuasive . Constitutional arguments, Mr. Elias, cannot be made on terse and wryly comments you spew to confuse readers….it has to be exhaustive and you lack that.
Mekuria
Aug 28, 2006 - 2:13PM
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I appreciate if someone draft a petition endorsing ER's statement and send it UEDF, CUD and OLF. This is the best I have ever seen from ER. Thank you, ER.
Chane
Aug 28, 2006 - 2:51PM
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This is the best article I ever read from ER. You did a great job. UEDF is a diaspora version of Woyane working for Woyane to weaken the oppositions. Most of member organizations packed in UEDF, like EPRP, their aim is to be opposition in their entire life not to make real change and stability in Ethiopia. That is why they always oppose strong people supported organizations like CUDP.
It seems Elias an advocator of Eritrean. Lemme know where your mom and dad are from. cus you don't care about Ethiopian sovergnity. As a journalist you should not take a side. You maybe an agent of Shabia wings. You are trying to present yourself as true Ehtiopian by insulting Woyane. Everybody knows about the bad side of woyane. There are a lot of Eritrean who have take as a big assignment to get involved in the Ethiopian politics by presenting them selves as Ethiopians.
I am very concerned about Ethiopia sovernighty and its people when the name of AFD raises. They are truly an agent of Shabia to destroy Ehtiopia and create oromia country. Who knows some memeber of CUD are OLF memebers? there are a lot of confusion around AFD.
Well done, Elias. I applaud you for an article written in the right spirit, a somewhat balanced article, and for not questioning the UEDF leadership's motives and for not engaging in character assassination.
mesfin put it beautifully. This is simply another case of a manifestation of all our age-old uncivilized behaviours - suspicion, mistrust, obstinancy, revenge.
The UEDF leaders simply do not trust those who drafted the AFD. If they did, they would, as mesfin said, "engage constructively with AFD and/or its component organisations" in order to get their legitimate concerns addressed.
Don't get me wrong, it's not only the UEDF leaders that suffer from this backward culture, it's all of us, including the leadership of the other parties.
But the AFD, above all things, is a civilized step forward for tolerance, mutual respect, and empathetic understanding. If nothing else, it should be celebrated as such.
If the UEDF has problems with the technicalities, then it should, in a constructive manner, applaud the idea of the AFD and simply forward its reservations, without belittling the AFD and its signatories.
If it has a problem cooperating with Asmara, then it should say that it applauds the AFD has a great idea, but in its opinion, it just cannot work with Asmara.
Yonas
Aug 28, 2006 - 3:59PM
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Reasons for UEDF not joining the AFD
1. The Alliance doesn't protect the sovereignty of Ethiopia.
2. It doesn't have "Ethiopia" in its name.
3. AFD's memorandum of understanding accepts the existing constitution.
4. It was formed under the auspices of the Issayas Afeworki regime.
These are in fact a very ligitimate concern expected from any real Ethiopian political party. Did AFD clear up those doubt or concern? As far as i know those issues are still hanging on the air for us to guess.
1. The Alliance doesn't protect the sovereignty of Ethiopia.
- Seems true to me because ONLF and OLF are liberation fronts as their name clearly show. Meaning as far as they get independence for their ethnic group they represent, Ethiopian unity is not their concern. In fact, they are against unity. They might try to remold to fit well and to take advantages of the existing situations, but their agenda is still one and the same. You don't even see Ethiopian flag on those party web site. I can keep on say a lot on this line but i think the aforementioned facts are suffice for one to worry about the real motivation of those party involvements.
2. It doesn't have "Ethiopia" in its name.
- True. They don't have Ethiopia in their name? Why could that be a big problem to rectify?? If they keep on failing to do this simple correction then one might reach a conclusion that the mistake was intentional right from the beginning. What other reason could AFD gives for failing to correct this mistake? I love to hear it...
3. AFD's memorandum of understanding accepts the existing constitution.
- Accepting the existing constitution in fact contradict with what CUD and UEDF were saying about it a few months ago. The only possible and logical reason for the CUD to accept the constitution is to secure Article 39, which the other party really loves to take advantage of it in the future. If there is any other reason why CUD accept the constitution other than what i mentioned, i love to hear it.
4. It was formed under the auspices of the Issayas Afeworki regime.
- This again true, unless we want to deny in daylight. Issayas played active role in the formation of the alliance. Can we be naive enough and believe that is for Ethiopian benefit? ADF before even saying anything about Ethiopia, in their first public statement, they accept Eritrean sovereignty without any reservation. Did the people of Ethiopia consult on this important and sensitive issue?
Because of these facts, I still think UEDF took the right decision by not involving in the alliance. If ER or anyone else has a different view, please be objective and give us some thing than simply criticize the party. For example try to disclaim UEDF concern objectively.
As to the flag abuse, there is still no official denounce from Eritrea which is something we don’t have to overlook. By the way, the main message of UEDF statement was “their political fight is not simply targeted at EPRDF but it also include any Ethiopian enemies”. This in fact what the people of Ethiopia expect from any opposition parties not “Currently, what the people of Ethiopia desire is a united front of all opposition parties that can remove the Meles brutal dictatorship.”
Desta
Aug 28, 2006 - 4:35PM
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Dear Elias!
Woyane (TPLF) and Shabia (EPLF)are the two sides of the same coin. Both of their leaders are from the same source who are hostile to Ethiopia and her people. You (ELIAS)are now trying to market people serving these anti Ethiopian elements (supporting Lidetu who is serving TPLF and supporting AFD which is serving EPLF). This time you are the only person who is supporting both due to their mission to destroy Ethiopia. Therefore, ELIAS -you are a person implemened within the people of Ethiopia to destroy Ethiopians. Your action prove this. readers/researchers will show you each of your actions to date to prove the fact mentioned so far.
You, Lidetu, AFD and your masters TPLF and EPLF will be dead.
They always tell the "stupid us" their way is the only best way.What they inherently lack is their own stupidity. The majority of Ethiopians care about their unity than their flag.I dont think UEDF,Ethiopiawinet and the bla bla group will able to understand that.
Anti Alliance UEDF is not different from TPLF
nadew
Aug 28, 2006 - 5:14PM
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What we read on ER is just garbage in and garbage out.
ER could not have firm believe in anything... No bed rock principle. Shame
NEG
Aug 28, 2006 - 5:17PM
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sen zero
I like you angle. Why did Elias write this piece at this time when Lidetu is organizing a wello party, Beyene is organizing the hadiya, why attack one of the two organizations exposing Addisu. You see, right now instead of talking about Woyane agents we are attacking UEDf. That is my question?
yoyo
Aug 28, 2006 - 5:31PM
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can anybody tell me why the Somalian gays burning the Ethiopian flag? I olways think a coin have two sides,but i think it is three.Now lets start tolking about the burning Ethiopian flag in Somalia.
Abate
Aug 28, 2006 - 6:10PM
Re: Is UEDF running out of arguments against AFD?
Arbenoch ginbar is the way forward, If you need a real change in our country donate to the heroes in the field to make a difference to our people and free our leaders in jail.
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Nati
Aug 28, 2006 - 6:25PM
Re: Is UEDF running out of arguments against AFD?
Today the true sons & daughters of ethiopia may need the alliance of the devil himself in order to save country!!...EPPF is figthing the good fight!! the question is "as an individual or orginization are you contributing your share to the fight for freedom or just barking like a toothless dog?".
As far as we know UEDF is saying that its way of fighting is peacefull & only peacefull way!!
MY QUESTION TO UEDF & SUPPORTERS IS: Since your way of fighting is not shared by other patriots....what is your suggestion for those whom believe that the peacefull struggle must be supported by arm struggle?
2nd) If Djibouti, Sudan & Kenya are closely working with weyane...where do you think the armed opposition should lay its military base? eritrea or else?
The answeres to the above questions are crystal clear!! UEDF has not alternative way for those who choose the arm struggle because UEDF is claiming to be peacefull opposition & accuses the armed oppositions!! WHEN YOU DESAGREE YOU MUST PROVIDE THE ALTERNATIVE!! IN FACT KINIJIT IS A PEACEFULL OPPOSITION PARTY BUT BY JOINING THE ARMED OPPOSITIONS KINIJIT HAS GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT TO JOIN THE ARMED STRUGGLE IF YOU WISH SO! EPPF & Kinijit are the solution!!
TODAY YOU ARE WEYANE OR OPPOSITIONS..THERE IS NO GREY ZONE!! IF YOU TRY TO DISRCREDIT THE OPPOSITION...YOU'RE WEYANE!! THE EQUATION PUTS YOU THAT WAY!! THOSE DAYS ARE LONG GONE!! AFD is fighting the true fight...whether you like it or not you MUST GIVE THE CHANCE TO OLF, ONLF ETC...TO LIGALLY BRING THEIR AGENDA TO THEIR RESPECTIVE PEOPLE!! THE PEOPLE MUST VOTE ON THE ISSUE OF SEPARATION OR UNITY!! ONE THING IS SURE!! THERE IS NO MORE 1 ETHIOPIA BY FORCE BUT THERE'LL BE 1 ETHIOPIA BY CHOICE!! HARD TO SWALLOW!! DON'T WORRY YOU'LL GET USE TO IT!!
BRO & SIS'S THE PEOPLE OF ETHIOPIA NEED A GOVERNMENT THAT IS INCLUSIVE...THAT'S ALL!! THE OROMO, SOMALI ETC... WILL NOT SEPARATE IF THEY'RE GIVEN THE CHANCE!! ALL THEY ARE ASKING IS TO BE RECOGNIZED SO THEY CAN ALL HAVE THE SAME FEELING OF PATRIOTISM.
PEACE TO ETHIOPIA AND VICTORY THE PEOPLE!
This guy by the name of Elias is a psycothic person.
He need to go to a hospital. If he is not ill which i doubt, he must have been paid by the OLF and Shabia to promote their idea.
Desta
Aug 28, 2006 - 6:42PM
Re: Is UEDF running out of arguments against AFD?
Dear Yoyo!
The members of Islamic court has burned Ethiopian flag and this people are supported by Shabia. EPLF leader has warned TPLF not to attack this group and OLF (on Debteraw, etc site) and EPPF (on Ethiopian Review site)for that matter the so called Kinijit International political Leadership (on Ethiopian Review , Ethiomedia, etc sites)following their master - EPLF and denounce TPLF but not both TPLF and EPLF-implicitly siding the Islamic Court (in other words members of the AFD side both EPLF and Somlian Islamic court that humilate Ethiopian FLAG). ALL WILL PAY THE PRICE -including ELIAS
It is funny to see Elias (who is half Eritrean and Shabia) defending the AFD who is a toy made by Issayas Afeworki. What do you think we are? ER has lost credebility long time ago. YOur hate towards Meles and EPRDF has nothing to do what they have done rather it is with who they are and the Ethiopian people will not fall to your hatred. Only the blind and the innocent will be fooled by your illogical argument. UDEF is the only party who is truly democratic and represented by a diverse people and they (We) disect and analyze every move and make a wise decision. We are not quick to jump on conclusions. You need to grow up mentally our brother. Hate is not the answer for our country and we don't expect you fools to bring any change.
Thank you,
AFD is a result of Ethiopian political maturity and its members are a true representative of their respective society. As a result, they have taken a concert measure to bring a real unity based on equality and liberty to all nations and nationalities of our country. They have not closed the door to anybody who wanted to be a part and opposition to this new approach is unwarranted. I believe UEDF’s opposition to the formation of AFD is misguided and they should reconsider their stand and work to bring a lasting solution to that country’s political problem for once and for all.
Absolutely!! They are not only runnining out of reason, I believe they are now become unfortunately instruments to the enemy camp....TPLF........How sad!!!!Who are they kiddding? Desicration of our beloved flag??? whose video???Who is the source?? I listen with patience the so called representative of the AllAmhara.....on Saturday afternoon, and it was heart renching...so boring the person keeps repeating himself almost like a broken reed.
Do not get me wrong, I am still ataunch supporter of UEDF with all its shortcomings. They were the first
to bring the unusual unity of all groups that have any claims of ethiopia. I admire their courage, but was shocked to see them distance themselves from ADF. I am sorry, just like you I can not buy any of their execuses. Negede Gobeze is the brain behind the real stance against EPRDF. The question of lack of inclusiveness is laughable. Does UEDF had civic association when they include Dr.Beyene Petros, and Co.,or is this some kind of spoiler philosophy!! GUYS LET US SEE THE BIG PICTURE...ETHIOPIA IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN individual ego.
Weyane is not elected and Ethiopian people show their dislike for it but weyane continue to stay on power by Force! They relied on the Military they control!
What about these UEDF?
All UEDF in dispora none are elected in their life time! OK, some had won Ethiopian peoples heart in the past but long time now they forgot the struggle and rather live confortably in the name of the poor! In the face of Kinijit they don't have support!
They don't have military force to stay as opposition! I doubt they may try to rely on Weyane Millitary to stay as opposition!
So, they have to get involved in fabricated allegations! Even so, they never succeed. We know and we suspect them just doing things for their agenda. Agenda of failure! Our dream is Kinijit and AFD!
Sirak
Aug 28, 2006 - 11:40PM
Re: Is UEDF running out of arguments against AFD?
Minush,
Your dream is Shabia. Your enemy is TPLF and my enemy is TPLF we are in the same line. Bravo for you coming this far. But Shabia is not my friend because Shabia is enemy of Ethiopia. Do not twist the saying: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. You are saying the enemy of my enemy is my enemy. Am I wrong?