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Just Wondering

Sep 17, 06 - 9:33 PM

Assabet Tryouts

This weekend was the weekend for Assabet to announce their red teams, any shocks? How many Desserters?

watcher

Sep 17th, 2006 - 11:23 PM

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Who cares?

anon

Sep 18th, 2006 - 7:33 AM

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your right...who cares.....carl never really announces red teams. you can practice and play with a red team until thanksgiving...until he moves you,,,that's how he keeps his borderline players around,,,,by then there is no where to go. good luck to all the girls...all they want to do is play,,,,

MHL

Sep 18th, 2006 - 2:54 PM

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Personally if I was a coach for a team who plays them I would care

hmmm

Sep 18th, 2006 - 4:53 PM

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does he really do that?
how many players will he roster until "Thanksgiving"?
so If im a player and there are 25 kids showing up for practices and games for my team .. I guess I would take a serious look at my skills compared to the others out there and if i was not a shoe in as one of the top 13-15 players Ishould be worried? does he say then ..sorry your on the blue ,white team now?

Saint Marcus

Sep 18th, 2006 - 10:41 PM

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As usual, the decisions were made by multiple criteria except for performance on the ice. Backroom deals, promises made by CG to players before tryouts, politics, etc. Too bad they don't have the guts to bring in independent evaluators.

Pointless

Sep 18th, 2006 - 11:33 PM

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Just heard some up close and personal accounts of what I can only think is a "weeding out" process. What some of these girls are put through is disheartening.

It must be good for the people who can put up with it, I know some who have left and some who have stayed. I understand both sides, I just have not heard anyone who has stayed because they love the season filled with joy it brings to thier kids.

I know of no one who has gone there thinking it was all about fun, most have gone knowing it had the potential to be a tense and stressful situation.

It is what it is, It is not what I want for my daughter. We are happy and comfortable where she is. I do respect the results (national titles etc) and the reputation the assabet skaters get in every rink I go to.

Sorry this is a pointless post, just an observation.

Anon

Sep 19th, 2006 - 7:13 AM

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I heard that the team was posted on the website and then taken down an hour later because so many parents went beserk. Is that true?

parent

Sep 19th, 2006 - 8:46 AM

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Never seen their teams posted on site, doubt if this is true

My Two Cents

Sep 19th, 2006 - 10:24 AM

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I have never seen any club team post the results of a tryout or their roster during the season. The exception would be the rosters posted on tournament pages.

An earlier poster had it right. Balanced against the pleasure and pride of winning tournaments and national titles is the politics and stress of being in an organization that places that above the real reason for youth sports. Assabet may be the most successful at it but they are far from being alone in that approach. Most of the satisfaction in skating for teams that usually win every game they play from the start of the season to the last national game is parental if this board is a true indicator.

You can't argue with the high level of visibility at Assabet that translates into opportunities at prep and college. Their success on that end is impressive. When you look at the equally impressive numbers of skaters from other organizations getting the same opportunities with far less family stress it comes into a different perspective.

anon

Sep 19th, 2006 - 1:28 PM

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to hmmmm......If your daughter is on a red team and there are 20 skaters and you daughter wasn't on the red team the year before....I'd definatley be worried. Ask Carl right out he'll tell you - you might not like what he says, but he'll tell you. If you don't ask and you think there are 18 better skaters on the ice than your daughter.....your probably going to end up on a different team.

Assabet coach

Sep 19th, 2006 - 6:55 PM

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Replying to:
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your right...who cares.....carl never really announces red teams. you can practice and play with a red team until thanksgiving...until he moves you,,,that's how he keeps his borderline players around,,,,by then there is no where to go. good luck to all the girls...all they want to do is play,,,,

As usual this information in incorrect. The rosters are set as of this past weekend. No players are added after this weekend. some may be carried as alternates, but he does not carry 20 players until Thanksgiving.

Pointless

Sep 20th, 2006 - 10:57 AM

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To Assabet Coach..

Could explain double roster and what that means..

Lurker

Sep 21st, 2006 - 2:09 PM

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You may have 1 or 2 players on the top team roster as alternates but they play and practice on the next team down. They might be brought up in case of an injury at the end of the year.

Pointless

Sep 22nd, 2006 - 1:17 PM

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So that would make it even more difficult to play elsewhere - correct.

anon

Sep 22nd, 2006 - 6:05 PM

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why does everybody feel the need to bash Assabet. It really isn't the end of the world if a girl doesn't make a red team, are girls disapointed...absolutely just like any girl would be if she didn't make a team. There are many organizations that have more than one team, the east coast wizards, charles river and many others, yet there are no post about how horrible a process it is for those girls and if they don't make the top team, are they deserting? My daughter went through the process and was it hard on her, yes it was but it was the same two years ago when she tried out for other travel teams. Believe it or not all the girls that play at Assabet are happy to be there, some are upset that they did not make a red team and some are just content where they are. Is it stressful during the year...sure it is but having been involved with other organizations there is little or no difference it just seems that everybody like to make a big deal about it when it comes to Assabet. As for tryouts there is always some controversy but again that even happens at the town level of hockey..no different. Here is a great idea how about not worrying about what Assabet is doing and just letting the girls go out and have fun playing hockey..oh I forgot it's so bad up at Assabet that NOBODY is allowed to have fun!!! remember the old saying "just let it go...let it go"

anon

Sep 22nd, 2006 - 6:59 PM

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I don't think anybody is bashing anybody - they are just telling the truth.....and sometimes that hurts...

Anonymously Anon

Sep 22nd, 2006 - 7:43 PM

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Obviously people are bashing. Just look it up yourself, or go back to high school. Your Choice.

same ole same ole

Sep 22nd, 2006 - 9:26 PM

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groan...
this is such an old tired argument..
Assabet sucks
Assabet is great
my daughter loves Assabet
my daughter hated Assabet
CG is an a--
CG is wonderful
ok ..... forget it folks ..quit worrying about Assabet either way....
unless your kid is there then forget about it..
concentrate on what YOUR kid is doing and where YOUR kid is playing.... Im sure that there is something that needs fixing in every team and every program out there
Not just Assabet ..
and I am Not an Assabet parent.
let em play

anon

Sep 23rd, 2006 - 8:14 AM

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same ole same ole

Nicely put!!!! EVERY organization has it's good points and bad, nobody is perfect. Just let them play and worry about your own child and make sure that they are happy wherever they are

Pointless

Sep 23rd, 2006 - 5:10 PM

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From the Assabet web site..

Assabet Valley Girls Hockey players are allowed to play on their respective town or private, prep or public high school teams, ONLY!

Find out what this really means, before you sign.

anon

Sep 23rd, 2006 - 5:17 PM

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pointless

LET IT GO!!!!! You are obviously a stalker and are absolutely obsessed with Assabet, you should think about getting help.

anon

Sep 23rd, 2006 - 5:18 PM

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It means that Assabet Valley Girls Hockey players are allowed to play on their respective town or private, prep or public high school teams, ONLY!

anon

Sep 23rd, 2006 - 5:48 PM

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This is true for all NEGHL teams
you may only play for one team ... In otherwords you can not play for charles river and the islanders just as an example ... your school team is in a different league.
good rule folks so whats the fuss about?
yeesh

Global

Sep 23rd, 2006 - 7:50 PM

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NOt exactly the issue....yes you can be on only one NEGHL roster, that is true for all NEGHL teams. But, you can play for Charles River, and a Baystate Girls hockey league team, or a Middlesex league team. Assabet will only allow you to play for Assabet and your school.

anon

Sep 23rd, 2006 - 8:17 PM

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If your on a red team at assabet I don't see why you'd want to play on another team except for your school. If your on a white team, it might not be enough.

anon

Sep 23rd, 2006 - 8:22 PM

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are there any teams that can challenge the top AV teams this year?

anon

Sep 24th, 2006 - 7:46 PM

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to soon to tell. Lots of girls programs are improving, I'm sure some teams will take a run at it. Time will tell

ANON

Sep 25th, 2006 - 12:01 PM

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I doubt it, and that's the reason for all the Assabet bashing above. It sounds like daddy's litte girl didn't make an Assabet red team, daddy pouted and took little Cammy to another team, and her new team repeatedly gets pounded by by Assabet. And let me guess, she's probably on her third team in three years because she was just too good for her last team.

Read em and weep...

Sep 25th, 2006 - 1:48 PM

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Let's see, who will give the Assabet red teams a run for there money this year?

Certainly not the U19 NE Falcons (11-0 Assabet).

Assabet U16Red can only find competition in the U19 division, but still defeated Chemlsford U19 2-0.

How about the U14 Spitfires? National Contenders, Former Assabet Coach, organization run by former Olympian and former Assabet player, only team to beat Assabet at the U12 level a while back. But not this Week! (9-0 Assabet). More of the same for Spitfires U12 (8-0) Assabet.

How about the future? Will this trend continue? Is there any hope? Not for the Minuteman Flames U10... (9-0 Assabet)

That's Assabet Red 39 - Opposition 0 in 5 games... But none of this is about winning or losing, it's all for "Development" and how you play the game.

parent

Sep 25th, 2006 - 2:38 PM

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No need to bash Assabet, or vice versa.

contender

Sep 25th, 2006 - 6:17 PM

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Spitfires U14 didn't play Assabet?

Timmy

Sep 25th, 2006 - 2:37 PM

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Ooooofffff ...

interesting

Sep 25th, 2006 - 2:57 PM

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Last year the the MMF u-10's beat Assabet red for the polar bear championship, yet they are not scheduled to play each other this year as they are in two different divisions. Guess we'll have to wait for the Polar Bear again.

ANON

Sep 25th, 2006 - 3:05 PM

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No need to wait until the Polar Bear. The U10 Reds beat the U10 MMF 9-0 in Marlboro this past Sat. and the Spitfires 6-0 yesterday.

Anony

Sep 25th, 2006 - 3:34 PM

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last years MMF is now a U11, as I would think last years AV 10U is this years 11U.

interesting

Sep 25th, 2006 - 3:52 PM

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You are right anony. They are now u-11's. Also, a little too early in the season for people to think Assabet is a lock for 1st place etc at al levels. Maybe, maybe not.

anon

Sep 25th, 2006 - 9:57 PM

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Assabet U-10 red actually beat the spitfire 9-0, not 6-0 just for the record

Not an AV parent

Sep 25th, 2006 - 10:22 PM

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To the person who stated that AV will only let Red team players play for AV and their school, this is not true. My daughter played in a "town" league last year with girls that were on various levels of AV Red (14 and 12). Funny, they even played teams where other girls from AV Red teams played...guess your suspicion was wrong!

All this crap about AV is getting old. Love em or hate em...but don't bash something you know nothing about. I don't claim to be an expert, but I can tell you that you were wrong in what you said.

Just let the girls play. I am sure if they are not happy, they will move on!! Apparently there must be so many unhappy people there that they added teams this year!! Go figure!

Wow

Sep 26th, 2006 - 11:55 PM

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To read em and weep, this is why no one likes Assabet.

Global

Sep 27th, 2006 - 11:53 AM

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To: Not an AV Parent....please go to the Assabet Valley Girls hockey website and read the rules as stated by Carl Gray. I didn't make them up, and they seem pretty clear to me. I don't dispute that you did see girls on other town teams. That doesn't mean they were doing so with the blessing of CG. And if he wanted to, he could use it against them. Depends on who they are, and who they're playing for. If Carl feels it's a competitor, he'll enforce the rule. People don't always follow the rules, but because they don't doesn't mean they don't exist.

Anon

Sep 27th, 2006 - 1:28 PM

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Dear Global

I AM an Assabet parent and I can tell you with 100% certainty that girls are not only allowed but do play for their town teams. My daughter plays on her town team and we have never been told by CG that she can't. I can also tell you that there are many girls on U10, U11, U12, U13 and U14 that do also. More so for the U10's and under. Not many U12 red's, maybe none play for town but not because CG won't let them, they do not want to risk injury and miss States and possibly National's. Up through Squirts it's okay because there is no checking, once you hit pee wee's the checking becomes an issue with the town teams. Also after U12's are over the girls do not play in the boys league anymore, just the NEGHL, therefore some girls play on their town team for the extra ice time, again girl's must be careful to not get injured due to checking, that is where the concern for the girls is. Goalie's on the other hand are a totally different issue because there is no checking involved with the goalies. Also all girls understand that their commitment to Assabet comes first

Global

Sep 27th, 2006 - 9:00 PM

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Nobody mentioned "boys" before now. I was talking about girls town teams and Assabet's rules say you can't do it. You never addressed what it says on the website. Is that the RULE or isn't it? Yes, blue players and white odd years probably do play on other boys and girls teams, because Carl doesn't care about them. He doesn't have to worry about them being on two state bound or national bound rosters.

anon

Sep 27th, 2006 - 9:41 PM

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global

to say that carl doesn't care about his white and blue players is just foolish, why would any kid or parent want their child to play for such a program? You make it seems like the kids on the white teams wear a scarlet letter. It's not that bad, if it was enrollment would not have increased this year. I guess life would be boring if you didn't have Assabet to bash all season long. Bet you just can't wait for them to lose a game so you could bash them some more.

anon

Sep 27th, 2006 - 10:06 PM

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arrrrgggghhhhh

E N O U G H !!!
all of you ..
on and on and on you go ...
you don't care about the game
you just care about being right and having the last word.
give it a rest folks
MOVE ON
we get it....
you all hate AV or you all Love it ...we have heard it all by now .
ENOUGH ....there is surely more to talk about by now.

History Lesson

Sep 27th, 2006 - 11:04 PM

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The prohibition against playing for other GIRLS teams became offical policy at Assabet and Chelmsford the second year after the MBHL girls teams started up. There may have been some unofficial policies before that but that's when it became official. In the MBHL's first year girls from Assabet and Chelmsford were also playing on MBHL teams against other MBHL teams during the season just as they always had on town and boys select teams in their leagues. The problem was that the MBHL teams played under NCAA rules but also scrimmaged each other and went to tournaments to get the minimum number of games played under USA Hockey rules to qualify for national bound and the states.

You can see the potential conflicts. Back then Assabet's even year white team played for the state championship not their odd year red team. There weren't any double rostered even year Assabet red or first team Chelmsford players that opted to play for any national bound MBHL teams that first post season but some double rostered Assabet white players and odd year red players and some second team Chelmsford players did opt to play for MBHL teams in the state championships. Another problem was that some even year Assabet red players and first team Chelmsford players played who played for a national bound slot one weekend played in the state championships the next weekend for their MBHL teams. A third problem was players playing for more than one team in different levels at tournaments during the season.

It was a mess and Mass Hockey rules didn't really offer a good solution. So after the MBHL's first season Carl Grey from Assabet and Ted True from Chelmsford got together and mandated that no players in their programs could double roster on teams that could play for a national bound slot or in the state championships.

It has nothing to do with playing on town or select boys teams and never did. Assabet, Chelmsford, and other NEGHL teams don't play those teams during the season and there are no post season or tournament conflicts. It's meant to address girls double rostering on teams playing in a separate league without conflicts during the season that pose problems in post-season or tournament rosters.

Global

Sep 28th, 2006 - 8:52 AM

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THANK YOU! So there is a rule against it, correct???? Thought so. And to slightly correct your last statement, it did pertain to boys teams as well. I can remember when my son was a squirt, his team went national bound. There was a young lady on the team who also played for Assabet Red. There was a huge broo ha ha with USA hockey because she was double rostered on two Nationalbound teams. And the same situation arose on a Framingham team that won the States and went to the National tournament. There was talk of disqualifying teams etc. Both young ladies went to the Girls championships and were allowed to play and withdrew from the boys and the boys teams weren't disqualified. But it was a mess for awhile. Now mind you this was probably 10 years ago. And you are correct with the history with MBHL. I know some of the parties personally and my daughter was on one of the teams involved. And I didn't mean to imply Carl didn't care about white and blue teams in general, I'm sure he cares about all of his players. But if it did't affect his Tournament eligibility he didn't raise a stink where a lower level player played. We had players make our MBHL team from Assabet Red teams who were told to leave the MBHL team or forfit a spot at Assabet. Two Assabet players stayed the whole year and played at Assabet as well. They were not Red players. But, to avoid just the sort of problem we are discussing here, rules for some and not others, the policy was imposed that you played for Assbet, or your school only. Do people still do both??? YUP. And I WAS NOT BASHING ASSABET!!!!!

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