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Rich
Aug 21, 06 - 9:21 PM |
Beantown classic scouts
This tournament had very few scouts who attended. If you are just looking for your daughter to skate, then fine. If you are looking for a tournament for exposure this is NOT it. Competition at the U-16 level was very weak. Each team had 1 line and then the drop off was significant. Almost all of the 90's played up (thank God)to even off the comp. at the u-19 level. Overall a good skate, but NOT what they are promising. I look forward to seeing their scout list for the girls.
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attendee
Aug 21st, 2006 - 9:39 PM |
Saw harvard, dartmouth, SLU, Salve Regina, Umass |
Anon
Aug 21st, 2006 - 9:42 PM |
WOW, 5 schools! Man where do I sign up?
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Anon
Aug 21st, 2006 - 10:06 PM |
The problem I believe is they don't play age appropriate - I don't believe a 13 year old no matter how skilled for her age (she might be great) should be playing with a highly skilled 16year old. It is not fair to the older girl. It might be great for the 13 year old but not the 16. And no I'm not picking on one girl or family. |
parent
Aug 22nd, 2006 - 6:48 AM |
I saw a litle of some 16 yr old games. Skill should take precedence over age. I saw one young skater who was dominating most of the time she ws out there |
Was there
Aug 21st, 2006 - 10:14 PM |
I saw Prov head coach there. |
Where was I?
Aug 21st, 2006 - 11:05 PM |
I saw the Green Bay Packer coach there! |
Interesting
Aug 22nd, 2006 - 7:05 AM |
>The problem I believe is they don't play age appropriate ...< How can this happen? Isn't this tournament invitation only based on the tournament organizers scouting prep and highschool games? For the money you spend, I'd like to see more than 5 schools there too. While chowder cup prices vary by team, we spent less and saw more college presence (including UNH and BC). |
Anon
Aug 22nd, 2006 - 9:34 AM |
AV plays age appropriate - a 13 year old does not play on the 16 and under red team. This was supposed to be that level of skilled players.. it was not. |
Observer
Aug 22nd, 2006 - 9:41 AM |
I can't see how anyone who was at the Beantown could possibly say that each team had 1 line and then the drop off was significant. This just wasn't true. Not even close to true. It wasn't even how they ran the benches. To the people fixed on scouting at the U16 level - there were a lot more scouts and coaches there than 5. Some of the ones not mentioned already, and only some: BC BU Northeastern Colby Bowdoin Union Hamilton Holy Cross RPI Colgate? (not sure about this one) Utica They come and go. They weren't all there at once. Never are. There weren't any 13yo players at the Beantown unable to play at the level. Quite the contrary. |
14Coach
Aug 23rd, 2006 - 10:56 AM |
Please, I know two coaches of the schools listed and your lying about both. At least on the GIRLS side because I talked with both coaches and neither had any knowledge or plan to attend. |
Anon
Aug 22nd, 2006 - 10:03 AM |
We'll just have to agree to disagree |
anon
Aug 22nd, 2006 - 10:43 AM |
even if a 13 can play and many can why would they take up the space that is supposed to be a scouting event for college? just another example of how we push our kids to hurry up and grow up.. 13 year olds should be looking at high schools not college. sad. |
parent
Aug 22nd, 2006 - 10:52 AM |
I still feel skill level is important. You raise some vaild issues and I agree with most of them. Why do some teams enter the Chowder cup w/ weak rosters to get pummeled/ |
anon
Aug 22nd, 2006 - 11:49 AM |
I know plenty of 13 year old kids who could skate at that level ... its one thing to practice and play with girls that are older ..but why show up at a scouting event that is not intended for your age group ? kind of overkill ... life is a marathon not a sprint ... we need to remind our kids that they need to pace themselves ... when you show up at 13 .. will the excitement and thrill be gone at 16? who knows .. every kid is different ... but if you cant get a full roster of age appropriate kids at a scouting showcase.. and you need to put younger kids on the roster... well then maybe you need to look at the quality of the showcase...and why more girls dont sign up... no disrespect tho the 13 year old who clearly can play.. |
parent
Aug 22nd, 2006 - 1:12 PM |
Well stated. how do you feel about a 16 playing U-19? I also feel there may have ben no shows so players had to be added |
anon
Aug 22nd, 2006 - 2:17 PM |
there is a big difference between 16 and 13 .. (were talking true age here) 16 year olds are just looking ahead and trying to get on a college coaches radar... most likely colleges are looking at that age the most... ( i could be wrong though ) |
Hux
Aug 23rd, 2006 - 10:54 AM |
Actually you are spot on. Having talked with/listened to a number of college coaches in Lake Placid last week, the age that most commonly came up when talking about scouting festivals and tournaments like Polar Bears was 16. They are looking for the Hilary Knights, who already have have the talent and game sense at that age and can be fine tuned to elite level players. |
anon
Aug 23rd, 2006 - 2:33 PM |
Why do we name players here, even if it's a compliment? Why would a coach "come and go" during these games? The four teams played at the same time, the games lasted an hour and a half, where are they going after a few line changes? You're full of $hit, thos coaches don't go out of their way to watch a few shifts and make a decision. |
Hux
Aug 23rd, 2006 - 11:27 PM |
There is nothing wrong with naming a player if the comment is positive, and used to illustrate a point. |
Observer
Aug 24th, 2006 - 8:41 AM |
...You're full of $hit, thos coaches don't go out of their way to watch a few shifts and make a decision... What most people undoubtedly understood was that they don't stay the day and watch multiple games in a row like at the Polar Bear. They leave. Others show up for later games, They leave. Others show up the next day for games. And so on. You think it's about a scout or coach making a 'decision' about any player? Do you have any clue what 'scouting' is all about, how it's done, and who does it? Idiot. |
anon
Aug 24th, 2006 - 3:35 PM |
Observer, you can keep telling everyone that this tournament was heavily scouted, but I'm not buying it. What I saw at the Beantown wasn't even close to what I saw at the Chowder Cup. I'm sure the Bowdoin, RPI and Utica coaches traveled all the way to Marlboro watched a game and went back on their merry way home. As 14Coach already said, you're a liar. Regarding your other thought, I'd be willing to bet most Women's college programs do not have scouts. The coaches, heads and assistants, probably do the vast majority of the scouting and recruiting. They supplement their efforts with information from prep and high school coaches they trust. But if you know so much more why don't you tell us how it really works. |
Observer
Aug 25th, 2006 - 3:36 PM |
Tell you what, 14coach, before I believe you, I'll believe the signup sheet for scouts/coaches/schools at the tournament. Right there on the same signin table the players used for anyone to read. And I did read it. Course, you're personal friends with the coaches, which means - what? - ah, people signed in for the schools just as a joke. Anon - Not my responsibility to educate you about how 'scouting' works and how is it doing it. I've seen all sorts of claims on this board the last couple of years about how prep schools and colleges 'scout'. The majority are ludicrous misconceptions. There are only a bare handful of players in NE that are personally and actively watched each year. The strengths,weaknesses, and development of the rest are noticed/noted when seen (the clipboard you see in some quiet guy's hands down the end of the stands all alone...) and when someone expresses interest in a school they may have the player on file as someone of interest. The same people convinced that showing up every showcase will get their kid 'scouted' are the first to jump on anyone trying to tell them that no one sits there and watches their kid for a whole game. They're also the same people how complain here and at the rinks when the school or college that 'really wanted her' didn't come through. |
anon 4!
Aug 25th, 2006 - 4:04 PM |
"There are only a bare handful of players in NE that are personally and actively watched each year. " By the time most of these kids are 16 or so, they have been observed at showcases, camps, tournaments and games. I might have missed something. You would think that if a coach is interested, they'd make a note and see how things progress from there. That doesn't require constant monitoring. I'd guess that not all that many kids suddenly have "break-through" events that affect their hockey ability once their growth has slowed. Unlike basketball, as an example, the pool of female hockey players suited for college play isn't that large. That's partly why coaches are willing to travel to the wilds of Alberta to find players. There are always some ready-as-is stand-outs that attract a lot of attention (imagine a young Katie King), but after that there's way too many other considerations beyond play in some showcase games. |
14Coach
Aug 26th, 2006 - 10:46 PM |
So you worked the table and your trying to sell your tournament as "ALL THAT" and it is not working very well. So poorly in fact that you had to accept applicants from more than just kids than those invited and even 13 year olds. You can stretch the truth all you want but a lack of talent and a poorly operated tournament is easy to see. |
anon
Aug 26th, 2006 - 10:48 PM |
Observer, Thanks for the education(I thought you didn't have the time), I guess I'll save myself a few bucks and stop wasting my time at these tournaments trying to get my kid in front of these coaches/scouts. Although maybe you could answer this, why you would consider wasting your time and money if you have it all figured out? And one more note regarding scouting attendance, there weren't very places for them to sit and hide with their clipboards, so if they were there, people would have noticed them. Did you ever thinke the people running the tournament might have written down some names to make it look good. |
Observer
Aug 26th, 2006 - 11:22 PM |
Sorry, pal, nothing at all to do with the tournament. '...a lack of talent...' - you're no coach. Anon - people who were there did notice them. Way back up in the thread I said I couldn't see how anyone who was there could be selling the crap I was reading. Per usual, the people putting the tournament down are the same losers stinking up every discussion here. |
anon
Aug 28th, 2006 - 12:31 PM |
The only reason you would invite 13 year olds is if you did not have enough skaters. I believe Coach14. |
Anonymouse
Aug 28th, 2006 - 12:59 PM |
I wasn't there so I don't have a dog in this fight but I guess the question is whether the 13yo is entering high school next year. If they are then it's within the rules. If not then you might be right and the 13yo is filling in. I understand that players were shuffled up to U19 and late players added to both levels because of registered players backing out late. Irregardless, it seems to me that if a 13yo is good enough to hold her own no 16yo is going to have a problem with it so I don't know why you seem to. |
parent
Aug 29th, 2006 - 9:04 AM |
This was billed as a high level tournament. I saw one 13 yr old play extremely well throughout. Most of the 16's who played U-19 did very well. In a tournament like this it should be about ability not age. That is anot a knock on anyone. My experience has been for the most part that the players want to play with other good players regardless of age |
anon
Aug 29th, 2006 - 10:10 AM |
It was supposed to be about girls being scouted for COLLEGE - not middle school girls being scouted for High School. If it had been stated that it was a fun tournament for ages 13 through 19 - I would not have had a problem with that.. |
parent
Aug 29th, 2006 - 10:12 AM |
Agreed, but does it make sense to have weaker skaters just because they are older? |
again
Aug 29th, 2006 - 8:02 PM |
this previous poster said it best... there is truth in the post in regards to both the show case quality and the wisdom of younger players playing at a showcase that is not intended for their age group . But my guess is we will all have to agree to disagree . "I know plenty of 13 year old kids who could skate at that level ... its one thing to practice and play with girls that are older ..but why show up at a scouting event that is not intended for your age group ? kind of overkill ... life is a marathon not a sprint ... we need to remind our kids that they need to pace themselves ... when you show up at 13 .. will the excitement and thrill be gone at 16? who knows .. every kid is different ... but if you cant get a full roster of age appropriate kids at a scouting showcase.. and you need to put younger kids on the roster... well then maybe you need to look at the quality of the showcase...and why more girls dont sign up... no disrespect tho the 13 year old who clearly can play.." |
anon
Aug 31st, 2006 - 8:40 AM |
If the event is meant to be a college scouting showcase then it should only be for players of the appropriate age. The 13 year old can compete at this level because she is talented but that is not the purpose of the tournament. The purpose of the tournament is for girls of the correct age to showcase their talent relavant to girls their own age. I would argue the 16 year olds should be "showcasing" their skill level against the pool of talent they will compete with for positions on college teams not younger players who will be irrelevant when the 16 year old is entering college. I'd rather see the tournament filled with the next best 16 year old (even if that's an ankle bender) than a younger player because it gives the scout a more realistic view of where each player stand in her age group. The younger players time will come, just relax. |
anon
Aug 31st, 2006 - 3:19 PM |
Well said! |
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