Dorene Lorenz Issue and Answers - A Bravenet.com Forum

Desmon Butts

Jul 18, 06 - 11:27 AM

Proposed Coal Fired Electric Plant

It seems to me you might be concerned a little bit about nothing. I come from Coal mine country in Utah. It is a very clean industry especially with the new ways they use that excellent resource.

The coal plant itself does not present that much of a distraction, and provides a clean way to produce energy for the rest of the year when tourism is not in full swing. Keeping costs down and more money in your pocket! Also providing needed infulstructure for Seward including Jobs!

I would have been much more concerned in the Prison, or other issues that adversely effect the area. With a coal plant you do not wonder what type of visitors the inmates are attracting in the area.

If you are really concerned about Seward help make it more independent. Keeping the energy and other resources in house not relying on other areas to keep the city vibrant and alive.

Desmon Butts

Anonomous Chickin Shit Disceminator of Bad Information

Jul 18th, 2006 - 12:15 PM

Why does Dorene bother with these people, I don't know

Capt. Dan here. Helping a way behind Dorene get caught up with some housekeeping.

I started a new thread because I was tired of all the word-puke in the other one. Now I stumble across the mastermind behind all the vomit. Some nameless sheep herder praying on the fear of the ignorant herd that buys in to the snake oil that he is selling. What an asswipe.

Dorene agrees with me that this idiot is probably a communist, but demands that I stick his ******* comments up anyway. She is a lot more Christian than I am. Any-hoo, she didn't say that I couldn't comment to his comments, and I am not going to ask - forgiveness is easier to find than permission theory.

"A coal Co-Gen Plant is now being considered to be built in Seward and in operation by 2009, less than 3 years from now.Three aspects must be addressed before this coal co-gen plant becomes a reality."

Well don't you have a strong grasp on the situation, oh enlightened one. Bless us with your mighty brain.

"The first: Developer, Marc Marlow of Seward Co-Gen, LLC, is intending to lease one of two 5 acre parcels of Railroad Property. Notice of this lease is currently advertised in the Anchorage Daily News as a 55 year lease for the sole purpose of building a coal fired power plant. Public comment is open until 8/15/06."

Oooh, ahhh. Did it ever occur to you that if the AKRR property doesn't pan out they could lease City property, or private propert, r Gawd forbid buy some property in any industrial zoned area in town? The AKRR property is the no-brainer, but losing it sure isn't a deal breaker.

Moving to another site just means high costs for transporting the coal, which means higher prices, which get passed on to the consumer. Also known as the residents of Seward, Alaska. Thanks for all the help, buddy, glad you are looking out for our best interests. Asswipe.

"The second: Mr. Marlow is working on securing a financial backer."

With all the sharp business traits you have displayed, that is obviously not going to be you - trust fund baby. Cash that check from Daddy as you sit on your high horse in the bank drive thru, looking down on all us stupid people who actually have to work for a living and think making money is a good thing...since it feeds, clothes, and shelters us. Us prols just don't have your burdens and cannot appreciate the difficult path life has unfolded for you.

"The third: City Council must agree to purchase the power generated by the Co-Gen plant. The Council is open to public opinion and concerns."

Council is open to public opinion and concerns. Are we talking about the Seward City Council??

What kind of mushrooms are you doing, guy? (No offense, Dorene)

"This Co-Gen plant may become a reality unless the public voices its
objections. If we object, but remain silent, there is the possibility the plant will be operating in just a few years."

Oh God forbid we allow progress to make its natural way. Oh, by the way, does your Pops work for a competing electric company or some other business that is making a proposal, cause I am really wondering about the REAL reason you are trying to stop this proposal dead in its tracks.

Did Marlow reject you, I mean sexually of course. Is this your way of getting back at him if it is the last thing you ever do?

"If you object to the co-gen plant, I urge you to write/and or email the following entities. Please feel free to use any of the information
included to make your point. The correspondence can just simply state your objections."

Please use this erronous information, so that we can distinguish your comments from those who actually think for themselves.

"After listing those parties, I will add information I have accumulated. Submit your concerns to ALL of these parties:

Alaska Railroad:
The public comment period for the Seward Co-Gen (coal-fired power plant) lease was EXTENDED TO AUGUST 15th. Submit BEFORE this date. The Alaska Railroad decided BASED ON PUBLIC COMMENT to delay a decision on the lease application until September (see this week’s Seward Phoenix Log for more information). The deadline was extended to invite more comments from Seward, since the comment period was not advertised locally. “Early submission of comments is encouraged.” Anch Daily News 6/24/06.

Send to:

Director, Real Estate
PO Box 107500
Anchorage, AK 99510 7500

Email to: Andrew Donovan at the Alaska Railroad at DonovanA@akrr.com Seward City Council, Mayor, City Clerk, PACAB (Port and Commerce Advisory Board)
Send your comments to the Seward City Council via the City Clerk, PO Box 167, Seward, AK. 99664
Email to: clerk@cityofseward.net"

Anonomous Chickin Shit Disceminator of Bad Information

Jul 18th, 2006 - 12:42 PM

Capt. Dan response continued

"You may cc individual City Council Members:

DoreneMLorenz@aol.com
wilnbev@ak.net
bardy@seward.net
kfat@ptialaska.net
councilpersonrobert@gmail.com
Mayor Vanta: vshafer@provak.org
PACAB: sailak@ptialaska.net"

Hey, Dorene made the top of the list. Well, she actually does read all of the tripe, and usually even responds to people. I don't know why, big time suck. But, like I said, Dorene is more Christian than I am. And did I mention that her birthday is coming up? Big 41. Not pruned up to bad for such an old broad!

"Seward Phoenix Log and Anchorage Daily News

ADN:
An article on the Seward Coal Co-Gen to be publicized in the Daily News is pending based on Seward’s public response. By sending a letter to the editor, the “news behind the scenes” may be approved for printing.

Send to:
Letters to Anchorage Daily News
PO Box 107500
Anchorage, AK 99514
Email to: letters@adn.com

Seward Phoenix Log:
Send to:
Seward Phoenix LOG
Letter to Editor
PO Box 89
Seward, AK 99664
Email: log@gci.net"

You must have buddies in the liberal media outlets. How special for you. Must make you feel very important to be shaping our world by slanting the information that comes down their way. Who needs balanced and fair reporting when you can be Big Brother?

"Petitions: There are a number of businesses with a simple petition to sign objecting to the Coal Co-Gen Plant. At this time you can find these atTotal Health, Seward Acupuncture, Resurrection Coffee House, R&R Dog Boarding, and The Bike Shop."

Hey I was just next door to R&R Dog Boarding over the weekend. Those dogs never stop barking. Do they ever get any attention or do they just get shut in their cages with the occasional, 'Shut the **** up!' hollared at them by Russ Maddox. And we all know what kind of honest, forthright guy he is...hey, dude, why are you taking an 80-year-old wheelchair -bound grannie to the Supreme Court? You are a ridiculous person, and no rational human being could ever respect you.

"Web sites: - To View the Lease Notice by the AK Railroad:

http://www.alaskarailroad.com/arrc104.html
- Electronic versions of supporting documentation are available through Kathy Lewis at LEWISK@akrr.com

- A similar plant built in Montana by the developer’s partner:
http://www.meic.org/energy2004/Thompson_falls.html
- Usibelli Coal Mine: www.usibelli.com"

Hey, Enviro Nazi, you do realize that without fossil fuels and mining the computer you are using wouldn't exist, right?

"AKRR Lease Notice Parcels: Carol Griswold took the legal parcel descriptions being considered for lease and mapped it for viewing"

Oh, goodie, an excuse to talk to Carol. She is a total hottie! C'mon babe, light my fire! Love that Carol. Kisses, kisses, kisses. I would ask her out, but I know that I am not worthy of this earth Goddess with a big G. I l-o-v-e C-a-r-o-l.

"Coal Co-Gen Concerns

compiled by RBCA)

ODOR. Coal stinks when burned. There is already an odor issue that tourists complain about; the fish waste reduction plant. When the wind is not blowing the valley effect and temperature inversions will prevent this odor from blowing away and will create smog."

And the locals are so dense that they don't notice the smell of rotting fish? Hey, Dr. Duface, if you are demanding that Marlow prove the science perhaps you should do the same instead of just drawing wild conclusions based on quick observations.

"DUST. When the wind blows there is already coal dust blowing all over the harbor and town from the existing coal pile. Additional coal storage and handling as proposed for the coal power plant would increase this problem.

Clouds of dust already blow from the Resurrection River valley into town on every north wind. Our gravel roads and constant road projects compound this problem."

That cloud of dust, can you hear a hearty "Hi, Ho, Silver!" coming from the midst of it? Maybe if we got more rain we wouldn't have such a dust problem. People leave Seward by the hundreds every dust season, because compared with most of the world, we are the dust bowl of the Great Depression.

" AIR POLLUTION. The valley effect and temperature inversions already concentrate wood smoke and exhaust in layers over Seward when the wind stops blowing. Being on the top of the hill the hospital and long term care facility on First Avenue are most impacted. There are numerous asthma and allergy sufferers in town that would be compounded by additional pollution."

Just like LA in the summer, dude. The air pollution in Seward is off the charts. If this is such a big issue, why wasn't it brought forward when they were discussing where to place the new LTC facility/hospital? Providence didn't mention it once, and they would be the guys-in-the-know, right? **** nuns, never ta

Anonomous Chickin Shit Disceminator of Bad Information

Jul 18th, 2006 - 1:00 PM

Capt. Dan, still here

"Even though the developer has assured us that particulate emissions would be kept below 2500 metric tons a year, we question the effect this massive amount will have on our environment and quality of life."

Now with the great work the science guys are able to do these days, the miracle of modeling, we should be able to determine EXACTLY what effect the particulate emissions have on the environment - as well as the exact amount expelled. I bet we could make this sound more dramatic, instead of 2500 metric tons, lets substitute 25,000 metric tons in that sentence. Sounds really scarey doesn't it? How about 250,000 metric tons? Whoa mama!Got to love the drama!

"WATER DISCHARGE. The developer proposes discharging excess hot water into Seward’s sewer system. He says it’s his only option because the EPA won’t allow hot water discharge directly into the environment in such a sensitive area. A Navy vessel was recently denied their request to dump their gray water into the city’s sewer system as it was already at capacity."

Last I heard, WC let them dump their crap, and the hot water is scheduled to be used for heating...hey, isn't that a great way to heat? Hot water? Lets all use it! Oh, guess that would kinda blow your theory that this plant wouldn't lower diesel fuel oil bills.. How progressive of me. I am proud of myself for thinking of this. Okay, I didn't, Marlow suggested it in his proposal.

"AESTHETICS. Being the gateway to Kenai Fjords National Park and a major tourist destination, it seems obvious folks come here to see our natural wonders, not belching smokestacks. The proposed plant’s smokestack would be by far the tallest structure in town. This would be the first and last thing everyone would see when visiting Seward, whether it be by air, land, or sea."

Oh, the drama, you should write for afternoon soaps. You are sooo creative. Smokestacks that belch steam, very unsightly. Putting in the coal plant really changed the face of Fairbanks for the worse, and their tourism market is really suffering because of it.

"SALMON. Being the home of the Silver Salmon Derby and substantial, stable runs of all species of salmon, and hooligan, we must protect the environment from contaminants to preserve our valuable subsistence and sports fisheries from such threats. The first studies ever of Mercury in fish and humans (in Seward and Homer) that consume them are getting underway this summer (DEC and DHSS). All the states that test for mercury in their waterways have fish consumption warnings. Alaska is one of two that have never tested for mercury in our waterways."

Is this the same smelly fish that you were complaining about earlier? Sure flip flop around on the value of the fishing industry. If Alaska has never tested for mercury in our waterways then how could they do a study on mercury effects/Alaskan fish? Please explain this apparent disconnect.

"SUBSISTENCE HARVESTS. Many folks harvest berries, mushrooms, wild herbs, and seaweed in the vicinity of the proposed power plant which could all be impacted by coal burning emissions."

Wouldn't they be the same as Fairbanks, and can't we do a hardcase study there? Don't worry yourself, Henny Penny, it will be okay.

"TOURISM. Seward is the gateway to Kenai Fjords National Park and a
recreational destination for tens of thousands of visitors every year.

This power plant would be within ½ mile of our airport, the RR passenger terminal, the cruise ship passenger terminal, the bus station, the Park Service Visitors Center, The Forest Service Visitors Center, the Chamber of Commerce Visitors Center, the Army’s Recreational campground, the Air Force’s Recreational Campground, the small boat harbor, and a City Campground."

And your point is......?

"PROXIMITY TO POPULACE. This power plant would be within ½ mile of all three of our public schools, our vocational and technical school’s campus, and the proposed long term care facility."

Good, it will be cost effective to use the hot water for heat there then.

"WETLANDS. This power plant would be within ½ mile of our rich wetlands where migratory birds and shorebirds lay over, and productive salmon spawning and rearing habitat that is crucial to the continued success of our salmon runs which we all enjoy."

Still looking for that point.

Anonomous Chickin Shit Disceminator of Bad Information

Jul 18th, 2006 - 1:21 PM

No, I am not done yet, what is it to you?

"REAL ESTATE. According to residents of Thompson Falls, Montana it has become difficult to sell property within sight of their power plant, which ours is to be modeled after. The site proposed for Seward’s facility would be within sight of most of town and the outlying areas. Members of the Seward community have already stated they would move if this power plant comes to Seward. Most of our residents are from the lower 48 and moved here to get away from pollution and its health risks, and to enjoy our pristine environment."

Well, I would guess that it would always be more difficult to sell residential land with a view of developed industrial area vhan residential land with a view of undeveloped industrial areas. That is pretty much a fact of life in the real estate world. But that is why we create industrial areas, so all that activity can be centered in an area and you can adjust the windows when you build your house.

If most of our residents come here to get away from the pollution we really need to alert the Chamber of Commerce, because that really expensive firm they hired to brand up failed to pick up on that when they queried the community. Pollution Free Zone should be our tag line instead of Seward.com, Alaska starts here. Wow, wish you guys would have come forward sooner with this so we could have saved all that money we wasted on those who were supposed to be in the business of knowing.

You do realize that Homer is on the other side of the Kenai, right? You know you are in Seward, not Homer?
Suck in some clean air, hold it, you are not in Homer. You are in Seward. You are supposed to turn right at the Y to get to Homer. You cannot take a bong hit at the curves, dude, really throws you off.

"GLOBAL WARMING. Coal fired power plants are a major source of greenhouse gas emissions which have been proven to cause global warming. Emissions can also create acid rain. We in Seward would much rather be a model in renewable alternative energy than be stuck with the last coal fired power plant in the free world."

It is an Inconvient Truth that you are a total idiot.

"Also: EMISSIONS:
Developer Marc Marlow was quoted in the ADN, 6/20/06, stating“we’re going to build the cleanest coal-fired plant to date in Alaska”. This offers no protection from emissions since the plant size varies according to various sources from a 16.5 MW to a 20MW, both lower than the 25MW size requiring stricter air quality standards.

Just a guess, but wouldn't the cleanest coal plant in Alaska, by defination, have the lowest emissions of any coal plant in Alaska?

"Mercury: Coal fired plants are the greatest source of mercury emissions in the U.S. (ADN, 6/20/06) Marlow likened the proposed Seward plant to the 12.5 MW Thompson river Co-gen in Montana, which produces 5.14 lbs of mercury annually (LOG,6/8/06)"

Maybe we could open a thermonitor plant next door.

"Oxides of Nitrogen: When these particulates are combined with sunlight it creates smog contributing to foul air and the discomfort of asthma sufferers."

What about the discomfort I have been made to suffer from all the pollution that you have been generating from all this horse **** ?

"Advantages (?)of a Coal Co-Gen Plant in Seward"

I can't wait for these, you must have gotten a Nobel Prize in Economics.

"Financial: In speaking with a Council Person, it was stated that the non-commercial electrical user in the Seward area would benefit from lower electrical costs, but an amount isn’t specified at this time. The LOG states (6/20/06) ..”the plant will do little to ease the fuel costs associated with home heating.”

Let me get this straight, you spoke with a council person about fiscal benefits of a proposed economic generator? I'm sorry, I can't go there. It is just too easy.

"Larger facilities utilizing steam heat will benefit from reduced costs.
This includes Seward Fisheries, AVTEC, the Schools, etc."

And smaller ones too, if you want to kick in for infrastructure in our more compact neighborhoods. Hey, money is no object, right? Open up that check book of yours, we can install the lines now while the road is torn up.

"Seward will not make a profit on extra power sold back through the
transmission lines. The Federal Gov. only allows the surplus power to be sold at cost."

That would be the State government, stupid. And lets not forget about that little economic theory where if you can make more at the same cost, the individual unit cost goes down. And that cost savings is passed on to the consumer. And the consumer is the average Seward citizen. You got a Nobel Prize in economics, right?

"Jobs: A plant of the size that is being proposed will create between 6 to10 year round jobs."

High paying family jobs, not the seasonal min wage jobs your beloved tourism industry creates.

Anonomous Chickin Shit Disceminator of Bad Information

Jul 18th, 2006 - 1:31 PM

Still Capt. Dan

"Industry: It could be argued that industries will seek to come to Seward due to low heating costs. But questions arise as to where they would build and what other elements would draw industry here? Are lower heating costs enough?"

Ah, why don't we leave those tough questions to those who are actually in the business of industry and not try to figure them out on your own. You might hurt yourself thinking so hard about something you have so little experience in.

"Misconception:

Some are residents have the misconception that the Coal Co-Gen Plant will lower fuel costs to the home. This plant will not affect the price of heating fuel (diesel & propane)."

The other half of the residents, those who use electric heat, will notice a considerable dump in their heating prices. And if the hot water gets large distribution Lindsey better start investing his dollars in a more diversified market. You aren't related to Lindsey are you?

"Other Alternative Sources of Power:

At this time there is the possibility of Ocean Renewable Power Co. to test a prototype in Resurrection Bay to capture energy through tidal currents.

Christopher Sauer will make a presentation to the public on 7/19, at theIMS Rae Building. (time?)"

According to the Log, Sauer will be presenting at the Rae Building between 5:30 -7:30 then at the energy committee at 7pm. Great scheduling there, Sauer. Is this any indication as to how much forethought you have? And planning?

"Wind and hydro energy are other options for power, but the feasibility of these sources is not determined at this time for Seward."

Let you in on a little secret, studied, many times, not feasible.

"Thanks for your time, and please, do your part in preventing this plant from becoming a reality that will change our town now and in generations to come."

Really openminded, foreward thinking, problem solving innnovator aren't you?

"Please feel free to forward this email to others who may be interested in this information. Please consider deleting my name and personal information, if you will."

I am sorry, I just have zero respect for a person who isn't willing to put it out there, and stand proudly behind it. Of course, why would you want such irresponsible, slanderous, horse**** attached to your name? Asswipe.

Michelle Keagle and Tim Johnson

Jul 18th, 2006 - 6:34 PM

Seward Co-Gen lease

Dear Alaska Railroad-
Thank you for postponing the hearing on leasing railroad land to the
Seward Co-Gen LLC. Many people in Seward are opposed to this project
and were not given sufficient time to submit their comments before the
first deadline.

As I said in my first letter, I oppose the construction and operation of
a coal-fired plant in Seward. It will detract from the health of our
community and our ecosystem. There are definately cleaner and safer
options available.

Approval of this lease by the Alaska Railroad is vote in favor of
contaminating one of the communities you serve and promote in your ads.
That just doesn't make good business sense.

Thank you for your time!
Michelle Keagle
Seward, AK

Jennifer Carrick

Jul 18th, 2006 - 7:16 PM

Proposed coal plant lease in Seward

Thank you for taking my comments on the proposed coal plant lease in Seward.

I moved to Seward in 1997 and I love this area of Alaska. My husband and I have made this our home. We have property on which we are currently building our home and we both have full-time year round employment in Seward. We definitely consider ourselves part of this community. For this reason and for several others, I hope that you will take my comments to heart. I am absolutely, categorically opposed to such an endeavor here in Seward. Aside from the unsightly industrial eyesore that this operation would create, we have the health of our community's children, elders, ecosystem and adults alike at stake.

This type of energy production is archaic. It is time for more progressive attitudes and science to prevail and take a foothold. Green house emissions have been taking a back seat to the lining of people's pockets and this outcome will inevitably have a negative impact on the community and state as a whole.

I urge the Alaska Railroad to be a community conscious entity that has all of our wellbeing in mind. The short minded attitude that threatens my home will be tragic and irreparable. From immediate sickness, like asthma to long-term damage of acid rain and all the other seen and unforeseen environmental destruction we must not allow this coal plant to become a reality. Please do not let down the community of Seward. There are too many terrific, proactive alternatives to a coal fired energy plant to allow this monstrosity into our lovely community. I would regrettably, be forced to relocate if such a lease where granted, as I have heard true of many Seward residents. We should not be forced to move so that a big company can make money at such great expense to the lives of individuals affected.

Sincerely,

Jennifer Carrick
Seward Animal Care and Control

Mark Teckenbrock

Jul 20th, 2006 - 12:32 AM

Coal Plant

Dear Council Members,

I am writing as an active and concerned Seward resident of 13 years. It is with great hope for a healthy future for our modest corner of the globe that I write to you in regards to the pursuit of cheaper energy. Many details and many reasonable indicators tell us that the installment of a coal fired energy hulk will sully the air and water of Seward our home. This is my stance, my vocal obligation to you our trusted leaders. We must not convolute the costs and the price of such a dubious affair. The ecological costs are plain to see and will effect the future generations of all life in resurrection bay and the surrounding area far more than is possible to reasonably project through current models. On the other hand the price of our monthly electricity bills will go down. Choosing a longview that favors our healthy longevity is the right choice. I will favor in an instant, an energy plan that may cost more to implement initially but ensures us clean ecologically harmonious extraction of the potential energies available to us from our surrounding environs.

Thank you for your time!

Best Regards, Mark Teckenbrock

Niklas Ranta

Jul 22nd, 2006 - 11:25 AM

Re: Proposed Coal Fired Electric Plant

The Seward Charter Boat Association (SCBA) categorically opposes the construction of a coal fired power plant in Seward, AK. Regardless of the sites you are considering, significant impacts to the environment will occur. The following are critical points of consideration:

- Any changes to an already impacted river system will only continue to degrade the natural resources of Resurrection Bay.
-The introduction of a warm water discharge is totally unacceptable and not environmentally compatible.
-Visual impacts from the construction and operation of a coal fired power plant will degrade the scenic quality of our area.
-
The SCBA demands a third party financial feasibility study be conducted prior to any further action. In addition, as you are well aware, the National Environmental Policy Act requires compliance under CFR Parts 50, 49, 47. Any potential for environmental impacts on federal lands, or affecting federally managed species must be at a minimum assessed and reviewed publicly. There is no way that this project as proposed would not have the potential to affect waterways, fish and marine mammals, not to mention the scenic qualities of "our little valley".

Thank you for you consideration if you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me at Lounik@gci.net, or at home at 907-224-6026.

Sincerely,

Niklas Ranta
President, SCBA..

Mark Luttrell

Aug 11th, 2006 - 4:34 PM

Marlow's proposal is not worth our attention

City council members:

Here's a copy of an Anchorage Daily News commentary that appeared today, August 10, 2006. I've underlined statements that reveal Marlow's approach to municipal contracts. Marlow's coal-fired power plant may produce electricity, but it will also produce years of legal hassle and possible city indebtedness. He offers no answers to questions from all interests, his savings projections are iffy, his record is suspect, the plant itself would threaten our economy and health, it would contribute to global warming, there are realistic alternatives and there is no energy crisis in Seward - just a problem to solve.

The city and the community of Seward should stop treating his proposal as legitimate. It's time for the city to pass a clear and assertive resolution denying Marlow a foothold here.

Mark Luttrell
Resurrection Bay Conservation Alliance

Captain Dan

Aug 11th, 2006 - 5:05 PM

Mark Lutrell is a Dumb Ass

Lutrell has to be one of the dumbest people in town. Ever. And that includes the drunks that fall off of fishing boats from time to time.

1) Newspaper commentary is commentary. Someone's opinion. You have to consider the source. IT IS NOT UNDISPUTED FACT. The publishers of the paper won't even stand behind it. Shame on you for treating it like gospel. Now that I think about it, you are probably one of those idiots who believes that the bible actually speaks.

2) Your jump to his plant producing legal hassles and possible city indebtedness is without merit, and is scandalous. I SINCERELY HOPE MARLOW SUES YOUR ASS FOR KNOCKING HIS CHARACTER AND TRYING TO ROADBLOCK HIS BUSINESS INTERESTS. Marlow, call David Shoup, he seems to know his way around a courtroom - ask the City of Seward, they have been on the receiving end a time or two. Or three.

3) Your questions are bull**** and no answer will please you because you don't have the mental juice to understand a complex answer. Oh, and you are a liar.

4) Your savings are non-existant as is your logic.

5) Your record is laughable. You are the biggest joke I have seen in years. It is even more funny that some innocents take you as seriously as they took Miss Cleo.

6) No plant will threaten our economy and health as much as your stpidity.

7) Global warming beats the hell out of global cooling. If you don't like it, move back to the distant planet that you came from.

8) There are realistic alternatives. Yet to hear you propose one. But you are about breaking things down, not building things up.

9) There is no energy crisis? Oh. I can do that to, watch. There is no global warming. There, see, all gone.

10) You sir, are the ******* in town. It is time for the reasonable people of the city to tar, feather, and toss your looser ass out of town. It is people like you who make this community a hotbed of negativity instead of the positive small town that we would all prefer. Take your defective self elsewhere.

Capt. Dan

p.s. Sorry I missed the booksigning Dorene, heard Barnes & Noble sold out. No big surpise to me there. Next novel I want a bigger role than the one I had in Midnight Blue Noon, and make it an exceptional sex scene with Autumn. Prrrrrrrrrh! Unless you can introduce the Lady Grizwald, yes mamamah!

CJ Rea

Aug 13th, 2006 - 2:53 PM

Coal

I am writing to express my concern for the future of Seward. I am dismayed that the council is considering the presence of a coal fired facility at the head of Resurrection Bay. I can not find any merit in this idea and I’ve yet to talk to anyone who supports it.
I am a scientist by training with a master’s degree in biology and although coal burning is out of my field of expertise I have spent the past few weeks educating myself.
As a parent, what disturbs me most are the affects of coal burning on children and pregnant women. The toxins, Sulfur, Nitrous Oxide, Mercury, Lead and Particulate Matter that are released by burning coal are all especially bad for children. They are also bad for older adults and folks that exercise outdoors. Add to that the geophysical nature of Seward and we are setting ourselves up for a nightmare.
Have you ever wondered why so many folks locally suffer from allergies? Pollen doesn’t escape our town easily. I never had allergies until I moved to Seward. Now my family, none of whom had allergies when we lived in Washington, all suffers when the spruce trees, alder trees, cottonwood trees go through their annual dusting of pollen. I am certain that the difference is the valley we live in and the air patterns that tend to keep the pollen present. Allergies are a small price to pay for living in such a beautiful place. However, I would have to reconsider my choice of home if I had to include, lung cancer, heart disease, asthma and neurological damage to children, as part of the trade off.
When Marc Marlow stated (ADN June 22nd) that Seward needs cheap energy and his coal fired power plant is the answer, where is he getting his figures? Will it be cheap if the mercury from the plant lands in our bay, polluting one of our largest sources of income?
In the same article Mr. Marlow mentions that Seward rate payers must be willing to pay for extra precautions (is this a cheap payment?) to limit Sulfur, Lead, Particulate Matter, Nitrous Oxide and Mercury emissions. Regardless of precautions, coal plants generally try to comply with government requirements but don’t go out of their way to be extra clean, as this cuts into profits. Do we know that government standards will save us in the deep valley we live in? I believe we should pay close attention to the size of plants that are held to certain standards. Plants producing 25 megawatts or less seem to have some loop holes available.
New studies show that mercury exposure damages cardiovascular, immune, and reproductive systems. Chronic low-level exposure prenatally or in the early years of life delays development and affects performance in tests of attention, fine motor skills, language, visual spatial skills, and verbal memory. At high concentrations, mercury can cause mental retardation, cerebral palsy, deafness, blindness, and even death. Yes, this is sounding “cheaper” all the time.
Mercury is one of the scariest products of a coal fired power plant but it is not alone. Particulate matter from coal combustion harms the respiratory system. Small, airborne particulate matter also crosses from the lungs into the bloodstream, and leads to cardiac disease, heart attacks, strokes, and premature death. Nitrous Oxide, Sulfur and Lead released by coal combustion create more problems.
The gist of burning coal is: If you live in Seward and you don’t make a living from fishing, or tourism, aren’t particularly old or young and you’re not active out doors, a coal plant should have no affect on you…
The truth is that coal is an antiquated technology that is being pushed as a “cheap fix.” The beauty of Seward, our children’s and our elder’s health are all priceless lets not sell them out. ---Sincerely, CJ Rea

Kirk and Jennifer DesErmia

Aug 14th, 2006 - 7:39 PM

Please keep coal gen plant out of Seward

We are writing to express our opposition to a Coal Co-Gen Plant in Seward.

The facts below, compiled by the Resurrection Bay Conservation Association, make it very clear that we do not want this in our clean, picturesque town. The few advantages would be overwhelmingly negated by the many detrimental disadvantages.

As small business owners and permanent residents of Seward we hope you will consider our request to make sure that this terrible idea does NOT become real.

Thanks for your time.

Sincerely,

Kirk and Jennifer DesErmia

ODOR: Coal stinks when burned. There is already an odor issue that tourists complain about; the fish waste reduction plant. When the wind is not blowing the valley effect and temperature inversions will prevent this odor from blowing away and will create smog.

DUST: When the wind blows there is already coal dust blowing all over the harbor and town from the existing coal pile. Additional coal storage and handling as proposed for the coal power plant would increase this problem. Clouds of dust already blow from the Resurrection River valley into town on every north wind. Our gravel roads and constant road projects compound this problem.

AIR POLLUTION: The valley effect and temperature inversions already concentrate wood smoke and exhaust in layers over Seward when the wind stops blowing. Being on the top of the hill the hospital and long term care facility on First Avenue are most impacted. There are numerous asthma and allergy sufferers in town that would be compounded by additional pollution. Even though the developer has assured us that particulate emissions would be kept below 2500 metric tons a year, we question the effect this massive amount will have on our environment and quality of life.

WATER DISCHARGE: The developer proposes discharging excess hot water into Seward’s sewer system. He says it’s his only option because the EPA won’t allow hot water discharge directly into the environment in such a sensitive area. A Navy vessel was recently denied their request to dump their gray water into the city’s sewer system as it was already at capacity.

AESTHETICS: Being the gateway to Kenai Fjords National Park and a major tourist destination, it seems obvious folks come here to see our natural wonders, not belching smokestacks. The proposed plant’s smokestack would be by far the tallest structure in town. This would be the first and last thing everyone would see when visiting Seward, whether it be by air, land, or sea.

SALMON: Being the home of the Silver Salmon Derby and substantial, stable runs of all species of salmon, and hooligan, we must protect the environment from contaminants to preserve our valuable subsistence and sports fisheries from such threats. The first studies ever of Mercury in fish and humans (in Seward and Homer) that consume them are getting underway this summer (DEC and DHSS). All the states that test for mercury in their waterways have fish consumption warnings. Alaska is one of two that have never tested for mercury in our waterways.

SUBSISTENCE HARVESTS: Many folks harvest berries, mushrooms, wild herbs, and seaweed in the vicinity of the proposed power plant, which could all be impacted by coal burning emissions.

TOURISM: Seward is the gateway to Kenai Fjords National Park and a recreational destination for tens of thousands of visitors every year. This power plant would be within ½ mile of our airport, the RR passenger terminal, the cruise ship passenger terminal, the bus station, the Park Service Visitors Center, The Forest Service Visitors Center, the Chamber of Commerce Visitors Center, the Army’s Recreational campground, the Air Force’s Recreational Campground, the small boat harbor, and a City Campground.

PROXIMITY TO POPULACE: This power plant would be within ½ mile of all three of our public schools, our vocational and technical school’s campus, and the proposed long term care facility.

WETLANDS: This power plant would be within ½ mile of our rich wetlands where migratory birds and shorebirds lay over, and productive salmon spawning and rearing habitat that is crucial to the continued success of our salmon runs which we all enjoy.

REAL ESTATE: According to residents of Thompson Falls, Montana it has become difficult to sell property within sight of their power plant, which ours is to be modeled after. The site proposed for Seward’s facility would be within sight of most of town and the outlying areas. Members of the Seward community have already stated they would move if this power plant comes to Seward. Most of our residents are from the lower 48 and moved here to get away from pollution and its health risks, and to enjoy our pristine environment.

GLOBAL WARMING: Coal fired power plants are a major source of greenhouse gas emissions, which have been proven to cause global warming. Emissions can also create acid rain. We in Seward would much rather be a m

Glenn & Sandi Schff

Aug 14th, 2006 - 7:47 PM

Coal Plant

The idea of a coal buring plant to produce electrical power for Seward area and beyond is very alluring.One would instantly believe we would benefit greatly from a cheap source of power, good paying jobs, more business, and even higher land and home prices. Yes, this increased economic impact sure sounds good, but what will it hold for the future. Look at what has occurred in other areas and our future may turn very dark indeed.

Coal fired generators have a long history of polluting the areas around them. Granted, we all have a responsibily to do our part to keep the economy strong. I just recently moved here from North Dakota which is well know for being an agricultural state. Coal fired generators were thought to be the eco-

nomic salavation to North Dakota when they came to be there. Sure they pumped a lot of money into the

community and still do today. They also lead the people to believe that state of the art devices would keep the plants from polluting the air, land, and water. This has not been the case. As I drove the roads of North Dakota, where once the skies were as clean as Alaska's, now a yellow-brown haze stretches as far as the eye can see. I have seen this haze linger over a distance of 200 miles, from Bismarck to Fargo. If the prairie winds are blowing as they normally do, it is not as noticeable. On days when the

breeze is light, it will disgust you.

People there wonder why this is happening since the plants are using all the latest to protect the enviroment from pollution. Many of us have friends that work for the plants. They tell us that the scrubbers are not always running because of the high cost, but they sure run when an inspection is do.

They also cut corners on the cleaning equipment, just like BP oil company has done on the oil pipeline in

Alaska. Three plants in N.D. were recently given the top awards for being the worst polluting in the whole country. This was printed in the Bismarck Tribune newspaper just a couple weeks ago.

Now, North Dakota suffers from high mercury and other pollutant levels in the water, air, and on land. The number of respiratory and cancer problems has increased. Also, people are warned not

to eat too much fresh fish, because of the high mercury levels.

My wife and I came here last August for a job interview at the North Star Health Clinic. As we drove

into town the view was outstanding. There was no coat plant and smoke stack to STAND OUT. If there would have been, I would not be here today. Once again the native people would not have a pharmacist to help with their needs here and in the affiliated villages.

I have yet to talk to anyone that is for this plant. The way the mountains surround this area the air

flow would surely keep the pollution on top of the town. The air and water quality will surely suffer, similiar to what the oil spill did years ago. The fishing and tourism business will certainly suffer. But the medical business will sky rocket from all the respiratory and cancer problems. That too, will slow down as people either die off or move away.

So, go ahead and put in the plant to make a fast buck, but as time goes by I believe you will wish you had not done so. Many people will move out including me. The ones that stay will suffer medical problems. The business community will slowly shrink. The only good thing is there will be lots of homes for sale cheap, but no one to buy them. There are cleaner alternatives to producing power.

Sincerely yours,

Glenn & Sandi Schff

CJ Rea

Aug 14th, 2006 - 7:50 PM

Coal

I am writing to express my concern for the future of Seward. I am dismayed that the council is considering the presence of a coal fired facility at the head of Resurrection Ba y. I can not find any merit in this idea and I’ve yet to talk to anyone who supports it.

I am a scientist by training with a master’s degree in biology and although coal burning is out of my field of expertise I have spent the past few weeks educating myself.

As a parent, what disturbs me most are the affects of coal burning on children and pregnant women. The toxins, Sulfur, Nitrous Oxide, Mercury, Lead and Particulate Matter that are released by burning coal are all especially bad for children. They are also bad for older adults and folks that exercise outdoors. Add to that the geophysical nature of Seward and we are setting ourselves up for a nightmare.

Have you ever wondered why so many folks locally suffer from allergies? Pollen doesn’t escape our town easily. I never had allergies until I moved to Seward. Now my family, none of whom had allergies when we lived in Washington, all suffers when the spruce trees, alder trees, cottonwood trees go through their annual dusting of pollen. I am certain that the difference is the valley we live in and the air patterns that tend to keep the pollen present. Allergies are a small price to pay for living in such a beautiful place. However, I would have to reconsider my choice of home if I had to include, lung cancer, heart disease, asthma and neurological damage to children, as part of the trade off.

When Marc Marlow stated (ADN June 22nd) that Seward needs cheap energy and his coal fired power plant is the answer, where is he getting his figures? Will it be cheap if the mercury from the plant lands in our bay, polluting one of our largest sources of income?

In the same article Mr. Marlow mentions that Seward rate payers must be willing to pay for extra precautions (is this a cheap payment?) to limit Sulfur, Lead, Particulate Matter, Nitrous Oxide and Mercury emissions. Regardless of precautions, coal plants generally try to comply with government requirements but don’t go out of their way to be extra clean, as this cuts into profits. Do we know that government standards will save us in the deep valley we live in? I believe we should pay close attention to the size of plants that are held to certain standards. Plants producing 25 megawatts or less seem to have some loop holes available.

New studies show that mercury exposure damages cardiovascular, immune, and reproductive systems. Chronic low-level exposure prenatally or in the early years of life delays development and affects performance in tests of attention, fine motor skills, language, visual spatial skills, and verbal memory. At high concentrations, mercury can cause mental retardation, cerebral palsy, deafness, blindness, and even death. Yes, this is sounding “cheaper” all the time.

Mercury is one of the scariest products of a coal fired power plant but it is not alone. Particulate matter from coal combustion harms the respiratory system. Small, airborne particulate matter also crosses from the lungs into the bloodstream, and leads to cardiac disease, heart attacks, strokes, and premature death. Nitrous Oxide, Sulfur and Lead released by coal combustion create more problems.

The gist of burning coal is: If you live in Seward and you don’t make a living from fishing, or tourism, aren’t particularly old or young and you’re not active out doors, a coal plant should have no affect on you…

The truth is that coal is an antiquated technology that is being pushed as a “cheap fix.” The beauty of Seward, our children’s and our elder’s health are all priceless lets not sell them out. ---Sincerely, CJ Rea

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