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Kinijit
 Dec 1, 06 - 7:30 AM |
Who is D_Befekadu
Who is this man or woman? I have been following his/her comments often very critical towards kinijit and AFD. I have been very critical of him too, at times blasting him. However, after reading his/her response to Ewnet Ferede, I felt that we can live with him and respect our differences. Any body out there who knows him, please help us. We need to discuss with him our differences. Who is he or she??? |
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dd
Dec 1st, 2006 - 7:35 AM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
better watch him at a distance |
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Bekele
Dec 1st, 2006 - 7:45 AM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
He is a no.1 woyane agent. If by now you did nott know him after reading his post you have avery low IQ. When you see woyane killing your brother and asking who killed my brother is nonsense. Don't buy when befekadu or some other woyane agents appear to be supporters of opposition. That is how woyane works... cheating and cheating people like you. |
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Merara Gudina
Dec 1st, 2006 - 8:02 AM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
D_Befekadu is ye ato hagos wusha When Ye Ato Hagos Wusha jumps, grabs or barks don’t look at him or don’t give him the attention he craves. Instead first let him crawl in front of your feet for a moment and then kick his repulsive dog arse. |
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Kinijit
Dec 1st, 2006 - 8:07 AM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
I think we are getting too emotional. Let us give him the benefit of doubt. We don't know him, may be he is not woyanne. I have been calling woyanne but he consistency made think twice. |
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Sara Desalegn
Dec 1st, 2006 - 8:21 AM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Hint: He, D_Befekadu, opposes all ethiopian political parties and all Ethiopian organization(an equal opportunity opposer). If Mamo Kilo were arround (hopefully he is not asasinated by Citizen's Charter's hit men yet), he would say "I know him he is kaka, kakino". |
Mekonnen
Dec 1st, 2006 - 10:59 AM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Kinijit, I have been following like you Ato D_Befekadu’s comment for quite sometimes. I am certain, Ato D_Befekadu is a very intelligent, reliable, intellectual and “agre wodade sew new”.I really would like to see Ato D_Befekadu and Emebet Askal Dama to play a prominent role in our country’s political history. Mekonnen |
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Askale Dama
Dec 1st, 2006 - 2:05 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Dear Mekonnen, Thanks for the kind words. I agree with you that D_Befekadu wants to see an effective freedom movement and a strong united Ethiopia. He is critical to help us grow. We cannot become better by hiding our mistakes and building on our weaknesses. There will come a day for an Ethiopia built on the vision of the Charter. I am on a small vacation. Peace. |
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Silvio
Dec 1st, 2006 - 2:18 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
What I want to tell Askale Dama aka Serke Addis of north Italia (my neighbourhood 3 miles apart) and D_Befekadu is that: - Gim Le Gim Abreh Azgim. |
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Obo Gudina
Dec 1st, 2006 - 2:28 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
D-Befekadu and Askale Dama, U-2 people are on the wrong Forum. ER is for OLF and AFD U-2 must search for the Naftagnaa websites elsewhere. |
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Baqella
Dec 1st, 2006 - 5:41 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
D-Befekadu abd Askale Dama are EPRP-foot soldiers. They should stay with Debteraw and leave ER Forum. |
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D_Befekadu
Dec 1st, 2006 - 8:27 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Who am I? I am NOT Amhara or Afar I am NOT Oromo or Tigre I am NOT Gurage or Adere I am NOT Sidam or Kambata I am NOT Hadiya or Wolaita I am NOT Mursi or Gambella I am NOT Benshangul or .... I AM AN ETHIOPIAN!!! I want freedom and democracy I want justice and equality I want my unity and sovergnity I want peace and stability I want end to state sponsored terrorism I want justice for terror victim I want end to hate and triblism I want Democratic and United Ethiopia I want all of her children to enjoy democracia! |
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Weyannie
Dec 1st, 2006 - 9:11 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Baqella, Since when did ER become ICU forum? I thought it was just Shaebia forum in the name of CUD or something like that. |
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D_Befekadu
Dec 2nd, 2006 - 2:00 AM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
To All Those Who Wonder Who I am? I am NOT Amhara or Afar I am NOT Oromo or Tigre I am NOT Gurage or Adere I am NOT Sidama or Kambata I am NOT Hadiya or Wolaita I am NOT Mursi or Gambella I am NOT Benshangul or .... As ALL of the above are Ethiopians I am Amhara and Afar I am Oromo and Tigre I am Gurage and Adere I am Sidama and Kambata I am Hadiya and Wolaita I am Mursi and ... etc and etc I AM AN ETHIOPIAN!!! I want freedom and democracy I want justice and equality I want unity and sovergnity I want peace and stability I want end to state sponsored terrorism I want justice for terror victim I want end to hate and triblism I want Democratic and United Ethiopia I want all of her children to enjoy Democracia! I AM ETHIOPIAN FOR ETHIOPIA!!! |
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Firoma
Dec 2nd, 2006 - 3:31 AM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
D-Befekadu You don't have to deny your nationality (ethnicity) in order to disguise your identity by adopting a generic adjective known as Ethiopian. Every one in Ethiopia was born into an ethnic group or groups depending if your parents are from two different ethnic groups. To say I am not a Tigre or Oromo or Amhara or Hadya or Gurage is nothing but a joke. You were first identified by your ethnic group beginning from your childhood even before you knew what "Ethiopian" meant to you. Don't tell us that you don't identify yourself with one of the nationalities in Ethiopia. If you don't, I tend to be suspicious of your motive. Those who say they belong to such and such nationality by birth but prefer to be identified as Ethiopian because they honestly believe in democratic values and the equality of all nationalities are more trustworthy than those who tend to completely deny their ethnic group. I am not against those who call themselves Ethiopian. What I am saying is that don't try to deny what you were born into. To be called Ethiopian you don't need to hide your ethnic identity given to you by nature. You din not choose to be born into your ethnic group. You can equally love your ethnic identity and Ethiopianess as long as you not prejudiced against those who identify themselves with other ethnic groups other than yours and commonly share Ethiopianess. |
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Baqella
Dec 2nd, 2006 - 2:29 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Dear D-Befekadu, As I said earlier, you are trying to answer the Shakespearian play like issue: "TO be or not to be an Ethiopian; that is the question." What we are saying is give Oromia and Ogadenia a chance for their respective independence from Amhara-Tigre tyranny. So you can go to Abyssinia and live there with the naftagna. |
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Weyannie
Dec 2nd, 2006 - 3:06 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Baqella, You are confused in geography, geneology, anthropology and carrying this to politics will even confuse you more. For your information Ogadeni is part of somali, somali state that is in this case. Firoma, Exactly. I think prime minister meles has said similar in the past; like - what is the problem why one can't be a good Amara a good ethiopian, why can't a good Afar good ethiopian....- D_Befikadu, There is nothing wrong with a British subject being Scottish or Irish. And there is nothing wrong in an ethiopian being a somali or Nuer. Even in "melting pot" america people know and speak of their ethnicity/anscestry. You can't tell me that an Italian or Scottish in america don't carry their ethnicity. Let alone a Russian and German, americans will even let you know wether they are from south or north italy. |
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Juma
Dec 3rd, 2006 - 2:03 AM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Befekadu is neftegna who wants to impose on his dying Ethiopia. Why we need to know about him? I don't care about Befekadu. Tell him to get lost> |
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Mootoomaa
Dec 3rd, 2006 - 4:16 AM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
A freindly reminder: The Galas and Gala the likes...you must admit that there is leader and there is also a follower. what I mean is in our case Amhara leads and the rest of must follow period !! The Galas can always lead donkeys!!! Cheers ! 
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TTT
Dec 3rd, 2006 - 7:17 AM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Mootoomaa You are dangerous woyanne or shabbia agent who is trying to cause bloodbath in our country. Your game is over and you are exposed. You are not an amhara and I hope the Ethiopians of Oromo ethnic group in this forum would understand your motive. We are united against you. |
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Addisabéw
Dec 4th, 2006 - 10:40 AM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
weyannie, You are still stuck with your Scotkand-Britain analogy. BTW Scotland is a country, Ebgland is a country and the UK is a union of countries. IN ETHIOPIA, WE ONLY HAVE ONE COUNTRY. I grew up as Gonderie, never as an Amhara. This is an identity imposed on me!! YOU PEOPLE DON'T SEE THE DANGER THAT WOULD FOLLOW THIS IMPOSITION. So-called Amhara Nationalism didn't exist until the last 15 years. And now it is coming. Don't forget that most if not all of the "mini-nationalisms" are based on "the Amhara did this to us"; i.e. there is some anti-Amhara element in them. (In fact, nationalism is always coupled with an enemy to "national aspirations": i.e. it can't take root without an enemy image.) And what would be the basis for "Amhara Nationalism": EVERYBODY WANTS TO DESTROY US!! Perfect breeding ground for paranoia!!! Think beyond what MZ says, my brother! |
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Weyannie
Dec 4th, 2006 - 11:54 AM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Addisabéw, What you are looking at and the discomfort is a discomfort that will be there in any arrangement. Since you raised Gonder as example, lets see how the general lay of the land and people and their feelings is/was. You will agree that almost all the provinces (the way they were called before the janhoy provinces) now in Gonder zone were very unhappy being called Begemidir. Some of them rejected it outright and depending on how the Negus was afraid of them, they were treated differently. Like the Quaras and Dabats were intimidated to submit they are near the road and provinces like Welkayit didn't even pay tax to the Negus, which they were off road and aremed and dangerous, can afford to do so. Only 3 kingdoms were almost permanent in whats today Amara state. They are Kingdom of Gojjam, Wollo and Showa. Gonder city was seat of empire and the area around was autonomous provinces governed by dejazmach or ras, but never in our history was there a kingdom in that area as that of gojjam or wollo. There were also two kingdoms in today's Afar state (called sultanate). The rest of the empire in the north was shifting sand between province, collection of provinces under some ras or sometimes kingdoms. At the top you have king of kings for a reason that there are kings. This doesn't apply to menelik and haileslassie. They were both king of kings, without kings. What do you think the folks from Dabat think when you say you are gonderie and thats your community identification and does the people from Quara also feel the same? etc. I think people will get over it with communication which is growing in leaps and bounds. Amara doesn't need a new enemy to rise against. He has a tough enemy already. Mr. Poverty and backwardness. Of course there is always some politicians who will try to take advantage of some happenings in the past. You have to realize that the unfair and untruthful kings in the past used the names haabesha and Amara, while the Amara was held and called mehayim, dedeb, geterie...... When there is communication and transportation and commerce, its very easy for a Somali to see his counter part in gojjam has nothing different than him. The Oromo will also know that his counterpart in gojjam was not only, not the ruler of ethiopia, but he was a rebel against the same kings the somali or the tigre was a rebel against and paid the same price in punishment as they did. Lets not be afraid of what people like Aite Hailu Shawol may or may not exploit. If we do that we will always remain poor and backward, but singing empty song that our country is the greatest the number one yada yada...... |
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Get yourself
Dec 4th, 2006 - 12:15 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
There are many D_Befekadus using one entity in different name like Mekonnen and TTT. Watch out these vissionless pigs. |
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Askale Dama
Dec 4th, 2006 - 2:13 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
The Logic of D-Befekadu (Just a short comment). It is amazing to see so many here with a mistaken understanding what identity is. Any person (D-Befekadu for example) can have many identities - let us say he a gurage, he is a chaha, he is a teacher, he is a father, he is soccer player, he a musican and so on. One has to define define the relevant identity in question. In this case (in the context of the Charter, individual vs group rights, in the context of primary political identity) D_Befekadu is an Ethiopian. I am an Ethiopian. etc. We are Ethiopian individuals. We do not have the genography of the Ethiopian people and none of you can talk in genetic or biological terms. None of you have any anthropoligical evidence on any of the tribes or ethnics you are talking about to even make a cultural analysis of your own tribe. You all are habitually asserting unfounded ethnic/tribal political identity. In short, even though you are not aware of it what you are talking about is that the use of tribal and ethnic concepts for political organization of society which is totally rejected as useless and destructive. We can also take the discussion one step further talk about subjective and objective identity. we can also take it to another level and taslk about multiple identities of the person I mentioned above. The question to grasp what D-Befekadu meant when he asserted that he is an Ethiopian, not any particular tribe. My question to the challengers is who are you? When are you an Oromo or Tigre and when are you an Ethiopian, if you are ever an Ethiopian? How did you decide your order of self-concepts, self-perceptions, persalities, and self-identities? I very much doubt if you have answers. You are merely creatures of habit. If you were forming you identities consciously with self-awareness, you could have seen your confusions and D-Befekadu's clarity in his ordering and integration of the many ways he is able to identify himself. Final note. We will return to this issue in a big way when talk about the Charter and the relationship between individual and group rights in addition to the unity and peoplehood of Ethiopians as a single political; community. |
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Weyannie
Dec 4th, 2006 - 2:34 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Askale Dama, Its very clearly and unambigously put in the constitution. You don't accept the constitution, thats your choice. Its a definition thats almost universally accepted by Ethiopians, even those fighting with arms. If ONLF is so afraid of the people it presumably advocates for and has day in day out to declare they accept the constitution, I wouldn't be too concerned about ER or some other Bozenie PhDs trying to discuss issues that long ago has been put to bed. Call me a tribe, clan, sub-clan, ethnic...whatever. I am happy that the definitions are done and implemented in Ethiopia and not in some coffee houses in DC or Scandinavia. What is so hard for you few in the west here to accept, ethnicism when even American presidents trace, acknowledge and even use it in politics, wether they are anglo saxon, german, dutch...etc. Does it matter if an american president doesn't speak german, but he is of german anscestry and heritage? Don't waste your time on something thats second nature in all societies, countries, continents...etc. Ethiopians are not the first ones, nor are the british or russians to know their ethnicity. I have never seen or read an englishman complaining that the scottish knows his ethnicity and preserves it. Take a look at Aite Andargachew Tsigie's "ye amara hizb keyet wediet". Its applicable to any ethnic in ethiopia. As long as you put yourself to the reality of any society and human beings as to how they preserve and promote what they consider to be theirs. So now you want to be the professor to teach a Tigraway or an Afar about his ethnic? I will gladly listen, as long as you don't start by denying reality and truth. Good luck. |
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D-Gudina
Dec 7th, 2006 - 2:11 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
D_Befekadu, Askale Dama, and TTT, The 3 of you are the trinity of Satan himself and should leave ER at once. You 3 are still experiencing depression from your anti-Oromo depressant here at ER. With another Naftagna website they can talk the same tune and enjoy life over there and not here. Go to hell! 
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Mekki
Dec 7th, 2006 - 2:24 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
I dont care who he is. |
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Munira
Dec 7th, 2006 - 2:28 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
The best for D-Befekadu, Askale Dama and TTT (may be one and the same person with 3 diffrent identities) is to accept the ethnic political ideology and live in peace with minorities including the Oromo. What do you think? |
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Askale Dama
Dec 7th, 2006 - 5:56 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Munira, Askale Dama, D_Befekadu, TTT are three separate dynamic Ethiopians. So save the sweat on that. As to the future of tribalism, stay tuned for its requiem mass - yekebit sine-ser'at. We are going to build a modern nation. Ethnicity is for the birds - yepolitika firifari new. I am on a small vacation. Peace!!!! |
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kinijit
Dec 7th, 2006 - 10:22 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
I declare that D_Befekadu is genuinly Ethiopian and wants to see real democratic change in our country. His argument is logical and based on facts. I apologize for tagging him with number names. I thought he is one of the many woyanne agents who are destabilizing our organization. I give my full support to D_Befekadu. |
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Sara Desalegn
Dec 8th, 2006 - 12:15 AM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Askale Dama ina D_Befekadu andm huletm nachew. |
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Askale Dama
Dec 8th, 2006 - 1:21 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Sara Desalegn Ere bakish?? |
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Kukuba
Dec 8th, 2006 - 3:28 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Awo D-Befekadu, Askale Dama and TTT Sostu Selassewoch nachew! Malete Kidusan sayhonu - sostu seytanawi selassewoch nachew! Ywutu! Yitfu! |
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Burre
Dec 8th, 2006 - 3:51 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Dear all, Well, thanks be D-Befekadu and Askale Dama, CUD including the infidels of AFD, OLF and ONLF are all dead once and for all. So give up your romantic write-ups about a dead-fish known as CUD. Let us sing something worth the time. |
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Kasu
Dec 8th, 2006 - 5:54 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
A while ago a friend told me D_Befekadu-Askale Dama are the same people, Shifa Soressa of New York. |
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Weyannie
Dec 8th, 2006 - 8:41 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Askale Dama wrote: "We are going to build a modern nation. Ethnicity is for the birds " Thats funny. Did you confuse a country and a nation or it is one and the same thing in your virtual world. Come and take away self government from a province let alone a state and there you will face reality. Any change in the constitution has to go through the house of federation. And what do you see in the house of federation....you see birds there.kkkkkkkkkkkkkk |
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Babile Tola
Dec 9th, 2006 - 12:44 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
D-befekadu is my man! Don't touch him! |
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Askale Dama
Dec 9th, 2006 - 4:51 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Weyannie, It take a non-tribal skull to grasp what we mean by nation. Save your anxiety, you can't understand the idea of the an Ethiopia nation. Bye! |
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Weyannie
Dec 9th, 2006 - 5:15 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Askale Dama, The solution is easy. Have fun with your kind of ethiopia or ethiopia of your liking, I will do the same with the ethiopia of my liking. If enough ethiopians are convinced and are dedicated enough to make either one, rest assured that ER website or forum will not be able to do the opposite. |
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Balcha
Dec 10th, 2006 - 2:21 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Different observers commented thus far that partly Elias Kifle and partly D-Befekadu and Askale Dama, have shot the CUD concept on the head as a result of which CUD's infidels including AFD, OLF and ONLF are all dead once and for all. So please stop your romantic writings about CUD. I am sure the die-hard EPRP - patriots like D-Befekadu and Askale Dama are dancing on thier success of sqweezing CUD to the level wher it is. 
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Geremew
Dec 10th, 2006 - 5:56 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
D_befekadu is a useless EPRP soul. Some tried to engage him constructively, but he remained stuck to his dihard views (typical EPRP style, no change for 40 years! ) You can tell by his analysis of things. Character assasination is the halmark of his approach to issues. There is no one correct or important than him or Askale Dama (his other EPRP wasted friend). He came out to attack kinijit in full force (also helping woyane) in vengeance for kinjit making his likes irrelevant in Ethiopian politics. EPRP has done this on kinjit before the election and is doing it now after the election. Those guys know nothing except "Yekim Bekel politica". So the best thing to do regarding D_befekadu is to ignore him on whatever issues he comes up with. |
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Askale Dama
Dec 10th, 2006 - 6:29 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Weyannie, Thanks. That is the way things should be. Clear thinking! |
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Jal
Dec 11th, 2006 - 5:15 AM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
D_Befekadu wrote: "I am NOT Amhara or Afar I am NOT Oromo or Tigre I am NOT Gurage or Adere I am NOT Sidama or Kambata I am NOT Hadiya or Wolaita I am NOT Mursi or Gambella I am NOT Benshangul or .... As ALL of the above are Ethiopians I am Amhara and Afar I am Oromo and Tigre I am Gurage and Adere I am Sidama and Kambata I am Hadiya and Wolaita I am Mursi and ... etc and etc I AM AN ETHIOPIAN!!! I want freedom and democracy I want justice and equality I want unity and sovergnity I want peace and stability I want end to state sponsored terrorism I want justice for terror victim I want end to hate and triblism I want Democratic and United Ethiopia I want all of her children to enjoy Democracia" Do we need more than this about the misterious D-Befekadu? |
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Balcha
Dec 11th, 2006 - 12:21 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Some one attempted to write on behalf of Askale Dama above. but the two have now disappeared from this ER Forum. Thank God! |
kalu
Dec 11th, 2006 - 12:31 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
D-Befekadu is nothing but Denkoro Befekadu(Deaf Befekadu). |
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Askale Dama
Dec 11th, 2006 - 12:55 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Balcha, Why do you abuse the name of that Great Ethiopia Hero, the Only Bacha Aba Nefso? No, I have not gone any where. I am on a short vacation. I'll see you with my pen very soon, stinging like the bee and cutting like the blade on tribal idiocity and ethnocratic confusion. |
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Balcha
Dec 11th, 2006 - 1:16 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Dear "Askale Dama", The real Askale Dama is a Naftagna who can hardly admire Balcha Aba Nefso who was utilized by the Amhara to capture the Oromo land and people. You are just trying to cheat me and bluffing me. Yes Askale has a stinging pen ling bee but only used to propagate the Naftagna feelings and not that of the Oromo. |
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Bakela
Dec 11th, 2006 - 1:27 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
D-Befekadu abd Askale Dama are EPRP-foot soldiers. They should stay with Debteraw and leave ER Forum. |
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Juma
Dec 11th, 2006 - 1:29 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Befekadu is neftegna who wants to impose on his dying Ethiopia. Why we need to know about him? I don't care about Befekadu. Tell him to get lost! |
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Jaleta
Dec 11th, 2006 - 1:30 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
There are many D_Befekadus using one entity in different name like Mekonnen and TTT. Watch out these vissionless pigs. |
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Askale Dama
Dec 11th, 2006 - 1:36 PM |
Re: Who is D_Befekadu
Balcha, Bekela, Bokolo,... It is because we lack Ethiopians like Dejach Balcha that we have people like you turning Ethiopia into a land of Surplus Humanity and City of Slums. Bye! |
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