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D_Befekadu
 Nov 28, 06 - 8:13 PM |
The Most Corrupt Government and the Most Corrupt Opposition Since Raise and Fall of EPDA
Kinjjit is the most corrupt opposition political party since raise and fall of EPDA in 1990s. When we have EPRDF, one of the most corrupt governments on earth, having corrupt opposition is frastrating and we need to think twice in association or support to political parties. Within a short span of its life, kinijit has cashed tens of millions in the name of leading the struggle. However, its corrupt behaviour led to its disintegration and now it is fighting iteself over the amount of money strolen and who is the theif. Their pethetic internal fight and defence is more worrying - the entire leadership is pointing fingers at each other and exposing them. As stealing less is acceptable, they talk $40,000 having been taken by one officer or 250,000 is illegally transferred or 60,000 is disappeared or 800,000 is unaccounted. On top of questions attached to their commitment to Ethiopian unity and democracy especially since found AFD, the level of corruption raises further question about accountability and responsibility. It is not surprising to see that kinijit is supporting EPRDF and other liberation fronts - they have lots in common. |
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Terefe
Nov 28th, 2006 - 8:41 PM |
Re: The Most Corrupt Government and the Most Corrupt Opposition Since Raise and Fall of EPDA
D-Befekadu the anarkist and the utopian, Sit and dream about your fantasy government here in Diaspora and keep on building castles in your utopian fixated mind. While anti-Ethiopia enemies are trying to snatch parts of the country you are sitting neutral and throwing few lines of your utopian feelings every now and then. Please come to your senses and take side. You are either pro-Ethiopia or anti-Ethiopia. There is no middle way (MEHAL SEFARI). You are either with us or with the enemy camp. |
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D_Befekadu
Nov 28th, 2006 - 8:53 PM |
Re: The Most Corrupt Government and the Most Corrupt Opposition Since Raise and Fall of EPDA
Terefe Are trying to tell me that AFD is pro-Ethiopian? or are you trying to say TPLF/EPRDF is pro-Ethiopian? To me they both have the same agenda. I am pro-Ethiopian with none of the above, because they are anti-Ethiopian forces. Pro-Ethiopian democratic forces will defeat both TPLF/EPRDF and AFD/kinijit. Their days are numbered. I think you need to make choice, because your choice from TPLF/EPRDF and AFD/kinijit is anti-Ethiopian. |
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Terefe
Nov 28th, 2006 - 9:10 PM |
Re: The Most Corrupt Government and the Most Corrupt Opposition Since Raise and Fall of EPDA
D-Befekadu, Here we go again building utopian castle on the air. (1) If their days are numbered can you tell us who is really so organized structurally, politically, militaristic wise, personnel-wise and financial-wise to take over the country? The types of you were telling us that only let Derg crumble. No worse government will come. No worse situation will come. Ultimately Ethiopia became land locked. In the same fashion, the type of you indirectly give support to the anti-Ethiopia elements like OLF, AFD, EPLF, ONLF, and CUD by simply singing their curse-full tribal songs without any viable option at hand. Let us be reasonable. We don't have trust worthy government. Nor do we have credible opposition. Amidst this confusing jigsaw puzzle the country is pulled into war situation. (2) Where do you stand? (3) If Ethiopia is gone how those are (who you claim are coming to take power in days already on count down) going to save the country from anti-Ethiopia elements? I am just waiting to hear your side of the story. 
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Ewnet Ferede
Nov 28th, 2006 - 10:02 PM |
Re: The Most Corrupt Government and the Most Corrupt Opposition Since Raise and Fall of EPDA
Befekadu, You are against Kinjit, AFD, EPRDF, OLF. Who are u working with, or who do you support? You are not required to support anyone, however, u should at least agree with the principle of one of the opposition groups, or give as an alternative that makes or convinces us to follow u. To be honest, I didn’t like Kinjit from its inception. I disliked them because they were assembled for one sole purpose: POWER! After I saw the results of the May election, I gave them the benefit of the doubt and supported some of the measurers they took. Though Kinjit did not at all win the majority vote as it claims, it really got the lion’s share of the opposition vote. Today, Kinjit is in shambles not because its leaders are in prison, but they are breaking up because they weren’t established on a solid foundation. Kinkit’s melt down is not a good news for the Ethiopian opposition, even to those who are disgusted with Kinjit. Ethiopia wins when the opposition gets stronger and works in close association. Toady, we can criticize kinjit, but our criticism needs to be constructive, it should save Kinjit from disintegrating. Befekadu, I want you to initiate ideas that constructively builds the opposition camp, than categorically blaming every element of the opposition group. |
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Lessanu
Nov 28th, 2006 - 10:32 PM |
Re: The Most Corrupt Government and the Most Corrupt Opposition Since Raise and Fall of EPDA
Dear Ewnet Ferede, (1) Thank you for your critical and timely view. I think D-Befekadu and Askale Dama should do much better at this critical time of the life line of Ethiopia. The bell is ringing in different sounds. The two (D-Befekadu and Askale) should not lag behind but come up with some viable solutions at this critical and urgent time. (2) Where is the Shaleqa Yosef, Dr. Almaz Zewde and Co group of CUD? They are totally silent as if nothing is happening these days. (3) As expected Andargachew Tsege and his horny splinter unit of CUD called AFD - have taken a stand by the side of OLF, ONLF and Shaabia regarding the war in Somalia And try to bluff and confuse the Ethiopian public in Diaspora. (4) As expected Birhanu Mewa of AFD gave an interview on Monday on the pro-OLF-German-radio supporting the ONLF and OLF stand as regards the current Ethiopian national security issue. (5) Elias Kifle is attempting to blow the AFD, OLF, UICs of Somalia position and make it sound heavy. He makes the OLF-AFD-UICs line of argument so disproportional and exaggerated that the Ethiopians in Diaspora are at risk to be misguided. At least his reporting about the Sunday run in Addis and what was being posted each day on the ER front page in support of the OLF, AFD and other anti-Ethiopia elements indicates both his partisan stand on the Ethiopian issue and that he may be highly paid by these anti-Ethiopia organization to accomplish their mission. (6) The CUD that was founded on sandy grounds in 2005 has now melted much that we do not have any strong opposition to speak of as such. Few try to romanticize the situation but in vain. So what do D-Befekadu and Askale Dama (the active critics of the ER-Forum) saying about this situation? It reminds me of the Abew saying: "KESUM ZIM MESAFUM ZIM" |
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D_Befekadu
Nov 28th, 2006 - 10:56 PM |
Re: The Most Corrupt Government and the Most Corrupt Opposition Since Raise and Fall of EPDA
Ewnet It is good to hear from you. Let me put it this way, first kinijit is its own enemy - it was formed to compete against fellow opposition than the TPLF/EPRDF regime. Second, as you said it all, it does not have organizational foundation, which is source of its current crisis. Third, its formation did not provide strength to the opposition, because kinijit does not crisis management strategies in place. Fourth, some of its splinter groups are members of AFD under shaabia control, while at least two splinter groups in AA are supporting EPRDF. YES, I am opposed to those groups (AFD supporters as well as EPRDF supporters). The rest are like Terefe (above) shouting against their own shadow. When they settle down and accept that the so-called kinijit is no longer one organization, we can seat down and come up with acceptable way of working together. I recall from our previous exchange of ideas that you were in Southern Ethiopia, and I am sure you would remember how market gets mad closer to Meskel and then disappears for a few weeks. Closer to the actual Meskel day, people grab anything they think is needed for the celebration as well as during the post-Meskel period where there is no market. That was what happened with kinijit – the way it was formed and now the way it is disappearing. It was formed in the period where the Ethiopian people have indicated their rejection of the TPLF/EPRDF and the kinijit group got together in the eve of election to take the opportunity and have a short walk to palace. In the process they even backed TPLF/EPRDF regime in banning some political parties from taking part in the election and also undermined opposition's demand to form an independent National Electoral Board as pre-condition to take part in the election. They accepted the board and the woyanne judge and jury unconditionally simply because they wanted to undermine UEDF, which they think was their primary enemy. The story goes on and on, and I don't need to carry on this, instead let me put forward what I think should be done in order to embark on the united struggle against TPLF/EPRDF/AFD. 1) Opposition groups need to meet urgently and form national taskforce 2) Task work together and convene all inclusive national conference 3) Discuss on and endorse the Citizen’s Charter 4) Form Transnationals National Government in exile and establish Emergency Cabinet to deal with woyanne and some of CUDP groups invented internal and external crisis To be part of this, whatever left of kinijit needs to distance itself from AFD and shaabia. The core woyanne agents within kinijit definitely will not accept this proposal, because they are in “right track” with their mission of destroying opposition. So, AFD is their best card at the moment. The rest who opposed to AFD needs to re-group and come up with a structured leadership. |
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TTT
Nov 29th, 2006 - 1:54 AM |
Re: The Most Corrupt Government and the Most Corrupt Opposition Since Raise and Fall of EPDA
We need to end the cycle of violence, corruption and mismanagent once and for all. It is sad to see a political party that is truggling to overthrow dicator and corrupt government is itself corrupt and cannot give assurance that it is committed to democracy and Ethiopian national unity. |
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Abebaw
Nov 29th, 2006 - 4:22 AM |
Re: The Most Corrupt Government and the Most Corrupt Opposition Since Raise and Fall of EPDA
It is important that we accept that Andargachew has killed kinijit. So, we need to repair the damage Andargachew inflicted on the kinijit and its relationship with pro-Ethiopian democratic forces. Then, we have move on to struggle in unity for united democratic Ethiopia. |
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Gerchi
Nov 29th, 2006 - 4:51 AM |
Re: The Most Corrupt Government and the Most Corrupt Opposition Since Raise and Fall of EPDA
D-Befekadu,TTT, Maru Gobenna & Co. UEDF, EPRP...etc You cry loud because your source of money [political business] is dried due to the spectacular CUD movement! No more money to feed you!Try to look for a job! |
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Ewnet Ferede
Nov 29th, 2006 - 9:29 AM |
Re: The Most Corrupt Government and the Most Corrupt Opposition Since Raise and Fall of EPDA
Befekadu, First and for most I disagree with the idea of establishing exile TG. Everything that saves Ethiopia should have its roots in Ethiopia. We in the Diaspora should only support the domestic cause. The core of the opposition should be at home. I do understand that TPLF kills or jails leaders and fighters, but isn’t that one pays for freedom? Don’t you think it’s an absolute political blunder to form an opposition group here in the Diaspora and run that in to a transitional government to lead a great and volatile nation like Ethiopia? If you are entrusted to call the national conference which parties or groups do you call for the conference? Do you think AFD remains being what it is now if Kinjit moves itself out? AFD with Kinjit is absolutely different than AFD without it. Lets forget AFD, but how do we deal with OLF? OLF is a big stakeholder in the Ethiopian politics, how do we bring this stakeholder to the round table and discuss Ethiopia’s future? Some noisy, but crafty people preach the absolute ban of ethnic affiliation in politics; in that case UEDF itself will cease to exist because UEDF is full of ethnic organizations. Without UEDF and Kinjit we will be left with Liberation fronts, or EPRP and Meson, the two degenerative diseases of the Ethiopian politics. One can oppose AFD as an entity, but avoiding its elements from the so called conference is a series crime. Our country’s problem will never be solved unless we include the LFs on our political dialogue. Let me give you an example. Jean-Pierre Bemba said on Tuesday he would go into political opposition after his presidential election defeat "to preserve peace and save the country from chaos and violence". Imagine, Bemba is one individual, but he could have run Congo in to another path of bloodsheds for years. But he opted not to because he was given every chance to be leader, but the people of Congo said otherwise. We need to learn from the Congo experience and include everybody in the conference. Those who have an absolutely damaging agenda will be filtered out. Let’s not fear OLF, let’s fear what would happen to our country if OLF is denied a place in the assemblage of Ethiopians. If one combines the social, political, and economic programs of all opposition groups the outcome is very similar to the so called “Citizen’s Charter”. I really didn’t give that much attention to the citizen’s charter because nothing was new in it, and I don’t like bouncing here and there every time an interested group comes up with something and tries to pull my attention. I want something new, not only new, but new, hopeful, genuine, promising, and something that comes from a mass based group, not from a collective of academicians who always talk the talk, but fail to walk the walk. |
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D_Befekadu
Nov 29th, 2006 - 11:02 AM |
Re: The Most Corrupt Government and the Most Corrupt Opposition Since Raise and Fall of EPDA
Ewnet There are four points I disagree in your comments. 1) You cannot form TG in side Ethiopia when Woyanne is in a total control of Ethiopian territory. Formation of TG inside is possible only if there is territory that is controlled by opposition forces. I agree on the importance of home based opposition. However, we have seen what the tyrant did to home based opposition. Therefore, the possibility of what you are proposing is slime unless the situation in the ground changes. 2) I am not sure why you discount the role of opposition forces diaspora. When the above (No. 1) is not possible, diaspora based opposition is the only choice. Woyanne is dependent on foreign aid and if you can cut off supply it cannot last long. Along this line of argument, If we really need lasting peace in Ethiopia, we should not separate the home based opposition from diaspora opposition. They need to work together. This was well established and structured when most opposition parties were together under UEDF until those organizations who later formed kinijit decided to mess it up. 3) There is a marked difference between ethnic based organizations under UEDF and Liberation Fronts of AFD. The UEDF member ethnic organizations recognize the territorial integrity of Ethiopia and they don't fight to from an independent state. They don't see Ethiopia as their colonial power. In fact they are the one who rejected the hate politics of TPLF/EPRDF and held up high the Ethiopian flag at very critical time even at the time when traditionally pro-Ethiopian ethnic group, amhara, opted to mind their ethnic business by preaching of Andargachew Tsige. The AFD member liberation fronts don't see themselves as Ethiopians. They think that they are colonized, and fighting to establish independent states. If you want us not to fear them, please first tell them not to fear to call themselves Ethiopian. When their political programs clearly state that they are going dismantle Ethiopia, thinking that they would drop the idea one day is denial. Yes, it is denial, a person who suffers from cancer may opt deny that he has got cancer and by denying, he may fell less pain and until he dies. Trusting them with seeing their commitment to Ethiopia amounts to denial, let us have less pain by denying that the LFs are going to dismantle Ethiopia and watch her death with less pain when they kill her. We have learned from EPLF and TPLF. 4) The political parties you labelled as "degeneratives" have actually played an important role by softening the ground and coordinating the struggle. They are the one who have been the generations of tyrants, monarch, dergue and woyanne. Unless one deliberately refuses to acknowledge, they are the one who contributed hugely for formation UEDF. It is their international networks that have discredited TPLF and forced it conduct the election the way it was conducted. For example, demands for presence of international observers among othe preconditions were work of UEDF in which those parties are members. In this line I would like to point that kinijit did very little except competing against UEDF and undermining UEDF's pre-conditions to take part in the election. From a number of reasons some oppositions groups are bitter towards those parties is elements of monarch, dergue and TPLF members in the opposition. For example, I recall kinijit’s agreement with TPLF/EPRDF when the regime banned those and other parties from taking part in the election. This is where the fundamental problems originate in opposition. They fail to concentrate on real enemy and try to take opportunity to attack fellow opposition for whatever the old problems was. Number one enemy of Ethiopia is woyanne and shaabia. I don’t expect any good to come from those groups of organizations. AFD is strongly linked to them. |
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Ewnet Ferede
Nov 29th, 2006 - 3:00 PM |
Re: The Most Corrupt Government and the Most Corrupt Opposition Since Raise and Fall of EPDA
Befekadu, the Diaspora is not a true representative of Ethiopia. The Ethiopian Diaspora is less than 1% of the Ethiopian population. The Diaspora can be a safe heaven for opposition leaders whose life is threatened by the TPLF regime, but unless we have some kind of solid grassroots movement that theses leaders lead in Ethiopia, we can’t have victory. What we need is not TG, what we need is an alliance that embraces all members of the opposition. The essence of my argument is that even if we have opposition leaders here in the Diaspora, we need a large mass based group that takes leadership from them. It is the people at home that should dislocate TPLF, not we here in the Diaspora. There is no movement that went to victory without having a grassroots movement at home. You can damage TPLF by waging a unifed propaganda machine here in the Diaspora, but the demise of TPLF should be initiated bu a domestic cause, that is precisely why I said that our role is supporting the domestic cause. Forget what the OLF says who the Oromos are, who do you say the Oromos are? If the Ormos were not Ethiopians, there should have been no reason to spend time discussing the Ormos issue here. Do you want the Ormos to carry the slogan of separation and fight to implement it? If not, call them to your conference and work with them to completely avoid the basis of separation. Its not just you and your likes that avoid the threats of mini states in Ethiopia, it is you, the people who oppose you, and those who demand the establishment of mini sates. Let me tell you this, avoiding OLF is not avoiding the threats of separation. In fact, the more you avoid OLF from the Ethiopian forums, you’re forcing them to keep on carrying the slogan of separation. I want you to retract the following ugly phrase from your recent response to me. No ethnic group is traditionally pro-Ethiopia. We all are equally Ethiopians and pro-Ethiopians. This is what you said: “when traditionally pro-Ethiopian ethnic group, amhara, opted to” Don’t focus on TG, focus on creating a united Ethiopian opposition. If we need a TG, a united opposition can answer that. Don’t alienate any group from any possible political alliance. Invite all, talk with all, and show your respect to all and extend your hand…if they repeatedly ignore your call, you ignore them too. Don’t put all your hope in the Diaspora, for the Diaspora is the aglomertation of the new, the old, the good, and the eveil. Statistically, or in any other measure, the Diapora is not a good representative of the Ethipian society. Be open mided and embrace all groups with their distatful questions and deal with their questions , not with the group. Remembebr,Accepting and exploring the rich context of individual differences does not imply defeat or loss. Nor does it mean surrendering your own intellectual,aesthetic, or moral perspective. It simply means that you gain a deeper, broader understanding of where your own views fit in with society. Peace for Ethiopia! |
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Jayson
Nov 29th, 2006 - 3:20 PM |
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Come to reality.It is a pitty Mr.Elias Kifle is posting anti Ethiopian articles where is the Nationalism.Why do you stand with the ememy that is claiming Ogaden? I feel you and others like you are traitors and enemies of Ethiopia. |
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Askale Dama
Nov 29th, 2006 - 3:41 PM |
Re: The Most Corrupt Government and the Most Corrupt Opposition Since Raise and Fall of EPDA
Lessanu, I appreciate your comment. On my part, I am on a small vacation where I can not put a lot of time writing. On the issue, there is nothing new. First, the opposition needs a comprehensive foreign policy; and it doesn't have one. Such a policy must be based on the short and long term national interest of the Ethiopian nation and Ethiopian democracy that is consistent with the vision of the Charter. Ethiopia wants to become a united modern secular representative democratic nation where religion and ethnicity are separate from politics. Ergo: We must shape the Horn of Africa to become friendly to this emerging Ethiopia. That defines our foreign policy and how we behave in each case/event developing in the region. Second, Meles must immediately release our political leaders, media and civil society leaders and iniitate peaceful processes and jump start the democratization process so as to focus the forces of the nation on the Ethiopian purpose and the Ethiopian national agenda (if he has the salt of a mature leader of a nation of 80 mil). Woyanie has magic or trick to pull. It is all very basic politics. Any government must take care its burning domestic crisis in order to rally the people to defend the nation. Short of that Woyane will simply become the bus-boy of Westrern interest and eventually fall. It is very simple. (1) Release political prisoners. (2) democratize internally. (3) Unify national resources. (4) Defend the nation. (5) Organize Ethiopia as the key player of the Horn of Africa. I'll be back. Peace |
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Askale Dama
Nov 29th, 2006 - 3:44 PM |
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Woyanie has no magic or trick to pull. It is all very basic politics. Any government must take care of its burning domestic crisis in order to rally the people to defend the nation. Short of that Woyane will simply become the bus-boy of Westrern interest and eventually fall. |
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AFDist
Nov 30th, 2006 - 9:54 AM |
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AFD statement on prospects of war between somalia and the regime in Ethiopoia November 28, 2005 In its statement of June 5, 2006, the Executive Committee of the Alliance for Freedom and Democracy (AFD) registered its concern about worrisome developments in Somalia, particularly the attempt by the highly armed TPLF/EPRDF regime in Ethiopia to exploit the sad situation in Somalia to garner the support of the West, particularly that of the United States, by jumping on the bandwagon of the war on terror particularly to fight what it classified as home grown terrorists including AFD, OLF and ONLF. Today we have learned to our deep dismay that the US government is submitting a draft resolution to the UN Security Council asking for the repeal of the arms embargo on Somalia. We are afraid that this would bestow legal cover on Meles Zenawi’s adventures in Somalia where his army may eliminate OLF and ONLF-foot-soldiers on site. As these two Fronts are members of AFD, we full-heartedly concur with (Please provide the full name ICG’s (Internatonal Crisis Group) dire assessment that this action risks igniting a regional war; including the clandestine standing army of OLF and ONLF in parts of Ethiopia. At a highly volatile historical juncture when relations between the world’s major religions are increasingly getting sour throughout the world, at a time when there is a widespread sentiment and perception in the Muslim world that the Western World is becoming increasingly Islamophobic, Ethiopia’s leadership is about to plunge the already volatile United Islamic Courts in Somalia into total chaos by militarily interfering and thereby aborting the Khartoum process of dialogue that has the best chance of restoring stability. The international community should not pour fuel on an already complicated United Islamic Courts’ situation in Somalia by giving the green light to the Ethiopian leadership that ignored the duties of AFD in the region and is trying to take a poor country into a costly war with its neighbor igniting a larger and devastating regional conflict. When the situation in Iraq is getting complicated and thus requiring a rethinking of strategy, it is counterproductive for the United States to pursue the same policy in Somalia, a policy rejected by the US electorate in a recent election. The attempt by the US administration to provide legal cover for its proxy in the Horn to invade Somalia will certainly become a catalyst for starting a war that has all the hallmarks and ingredients to engulf the entire region and beyond. We managing the AFD are also concerned to notice that a pattern of disinformation and deliberate misinformation by those with an ax to grind in a manner reminiscent of news coverage preceding the Iraqi war is now distorting the actual situation on the ground in favor of Ethiopia by ignoring the cry of the United Islamic Courts of Somalia. The Alliance (AFD) based on its hitherto relations with some senators and its participation on hearings, calls on the United States to reconsider this resolution and rather concentrate efforts on encouraging the parties in Somalia to come to the negotiation table to resolve their differences without external interference. We along the Eritrean government call upon the international community to rather press the regime in Ethiopia to heed the call for an all-inclusive dialogue to resolve the tension between Somalia and Ethiopia and between Eritrea and Ethiopia rather than embarking on another costly adventure in a neighboring country. While advising the parties in Somalia to seek mutual accommodation, exercise moderation and compromise rather than fanning irredentist rhetoric, we urge the EPRDF and its benefactors to desist from plunging the region into chaos and planting the venomous seeds of religious strife. AFD along with its allies will do its utmost to see that no war takes place in Somalia. Alliance for Freedom and Democracy |
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D_Befekadu
Nov 30th, 2006 - 11:11 PM |
Re: The Most Corrupt Government and the Most Corrupt Opposition Since Raise and Fall of EPDA
Ewnet I think we are following the same line. However, there are some areas where we appear to be at variance, perhaps due to being on behind the screen. I mean if we had to meet and discuss face to face, we would have arrived at common goal in all areas. Anyway, let us utilize the technology and promote ideas that can serve the interests of the Ethiopian people. There are a few points I would like to comment on what you have said. 1) The Role of Diaspora Ethiopians: While I am not sure why you brought it up, I agree with you that the Ethiopian diaspora are not representatives of Ethiopia. However, I disagree that the diaspora are limited to provision of safe heaven to threatened leaders. I believe the diaspora can play a major role in Ethiopian politics. In fact failure to include and utilize the Diaspora’s experience is recipe to further failure. This needs to be taken not just in a way of using their skills and knowledge but also not including diaspora can be politically destabilizing. The diaspora have a considerable influence in the Ethiopian politics and should not be excluded. One of factor that led kinijit to fail is its stand on the diaspora based political parties. We noted kinijit and TPLF/EPRDF speaking the same language in banning some political parties from taking part in the May 2005 election. Some parties are not operating in Ethiopia openly because of security reason. That does not mean they don’t have the underground networks and support. Move towards democracy must allow free movement of all political party in Ethiopia and the struggle to remove tyrant must be coordinated internally as well as externally. Both home based and foreign based political parties need to work together. 2) In regards to OLF and others with same agenda (LFs): I support negotiation and inclusive politics. In a few other threads, I argued that the liberation fronts are product of oppressive political system – absence of democracy and equality. To establish a democratic political system where all children of Ethiopia can enjoy equal rights, are free to express their views and share ideas and knowledge, are free to vote in and vote out political parties of their choice, are free to move and work anywhere in Ethiopia regardless of their ethnicity and first language they speak – democracy is the only solution. To build Ethiopia where all of her children can enjoy equality and freedom, we need to be Ethiopian. I don’t think Somalians or Sudanese or Kenyans can talk about democracy in Ethiopia. The LFs sees themselves as foreign to Ethiopia and talk about “Ethiopian Empire”, Abyssinian, colonialism, formation of independent states, etc. Their politics is based on sticking nail in old wounds and letting it bleed than work on common goals where healing can start and we can work towards brining democratic freedom to all Ethiopians. So, to be inclusive, one needs to promote common goal, Democratic and United Ethiopia, and craft their political agenda around this goal. To narrow differences, you need to sit down and develop basic understand and trust. You cannot develop trust in the way they formed AFD where clearly they designed anti-Ethiopian agenda. They rushed to put through their pre-written memorandum of understanding, they refused to talk about national issues, they even came up with the name of the alliance and refused to give it Ethiopian identity and they talk about “Ethiopia and region”. Which part is Ethiopia and which one is region? You know it and I know what the mean by talking about “and Ethiopia and region.” Anyway, as I said above, it is not helpful if we keep talking about the past. AFD was and is exclusive club of movements or fronts with anti-Ethiopian agenda. We won’t do any good if we keep talking about past. They are certainly entitled for form the alliance. Now to move forward, we need to think about future. Although it is recent event, we need forgive each other, be inclusive and work towards brining peace, stability and democratic political system where every citizen of Ethiopia can enjoy equality and freedom in DEMOCRATIC AND UNITED ETHIOPIA. 3) National Conference and TG: Leading up to the AFD foundation meeting, the whole issue was about convening national conference, not to form an alliance in that meeting. That was where the whole thing went wrong. To invite all political parties involved in Ethiopian politics in one way or the other, there is need to form a taskforce that can organize the ALL INCLUSIVE NATIONAL SALVATION CONFRENCE. The conference must give a real chance for peace and democracy. Therefore, all Ethiopian politics parties including LFs – foes and friends – need to come to one forum with one thing in mind – SAVING ETHIOPIA. The reason I brought up TG is NOT to put the cart ahead of the horse. It is intended, rather to give some sort of objective to participants and in my mind that can keep them together and work to lay a strong foundation for democracy is establishing TG with life span of up to three years. What the group can do in regards to TG is deciding on the life span and structure. Otherwise, I believe they need to go for National Salvation Conference TG as expected outcome. 4 A few points you made: being open minded, inclusive and embracing others is important and I have no problems to that. This can occur by itself if we have common goals. I hope you are not trying to say contrary to the above. Because, if one embraces the other for the sake of embracing with a marked difference in goals it is not genuine and would not last long. Where there is a fundamental difference, not just being different in ideas, but also aiming to destroy one another, first narrowing those differences and developing a common goals lead to trust and embracing each other. Regarding my comment, which you called “ugly phrase” I think you took my comment out of context. I believe there is NO one better Ethiopian than the other – we all are Ethiopians of diverse language and culture that are bound by Ethiopia~winet and that is what made us Ethiopian. In fact my opposition to ethnic politics of anti-Ethiopian sentiment – LFs is based on politics of hate and division, which flourished under TPLF/EPRDF. No one is better than the other and we must push to build a system that can treat all Ethiopians equal. There is NO LESS OR MORE ETHIOPIA~WINET – because ETHIOPIA~WINET is not graded. My intention was to point out the role of the so-called KIL leader, Andargachew, in promoting politics of hate and tribalism, which is the same as politics of woyanne. On the other hand, my intention was to say getting organized in ethnicity does not mean anti-Ethiopian. For example, I was referring to the Southern Ethiopian People who were organized in ethnicity and then formed a front to save Ethiopia. To be honest if the south did not act in that way, we would have ended up with different problem in our hand today. So, I don’t have any problem with Ethiopian orientated Ethnic Politics. I have problem when it is aimed at destroying Ethiopia, LFs approach. |
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yenantew
Dec 1st, 2006 - 12:06 AM |
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D-Befekadu and Ewnet Ferede, Please meet iron out your differences. I think you are the best that can happen to this forum. You both were focussed on the topic and very positive. Please meet and tell us your resolutions. Before I forget, don't form another confusing organ. Just talk straight on what we have to do next, by whom would follow. yenantew |
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D_Befekadu
Dec 1st, 2006 - 1:25 AM |
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NOTE: Sorry about typo – I was in hurry and posted this comment with lots of errors earlier. Ewnet I think we are following the same line. However, there are some areas where we appear to be at variance, perhaps due to being behind the screen. I mean if we had to meet and discuss face to face, we would have arrived at common goal in all areas. Anyway, let us utilize the technology and promote ideas that can serve the interests of the Ethiopian people. There are a few points I would like to comment on what you have said. 1) The Role of Diaspora Ethiopians: While I am not sure why you brought it up, I agree with you that the Ethiopian diaspora are not representatives of Ethiopia. However, I disagree that the diaspora are limited to provision of safe heaven to threatened leaders. I believe the diaspora can play a major role in Ethiopian politics. In fact failure to include and utilize the Diaspora’s experience is recipe to further failure. This needs to be taken into account not just in a way of using their skills and knowledge but also not including diaspora can be politically destabilizing. The diaspora have a considerable influence in the Ethiopian politics and should not be excluded. One of factor that led kinijit to fail is its stand on the diaspora based political parties. We noted kinijit and TPLF/EPRDF were speaking the same language in banning some political parties from taking part in the May 2005 election. Some parties are not operating inside Ethiopia openly because of security reason, not because they wanted to remain outside. That does not mean they don’t have the underground networks and popular support. Move towards democracy must allow free movement of all political parties in Ethiopia and the struggle to remove tyrant must be coordinated internally as well as externally. Both home and foreign-based political parties need to work together. 2) In regards to OLF and others with same agenda (LFs): I support negotiation and inclusive politics. In a few other threads, I argued that the liberation fronts are product of oppressive political system – absence of democracy and equality. To establish a democratic political system where all children of Ethiopia can enjoy equal rights; are free to express their views and share ideas and knowledge; are free to vote in and vote out political parties of their choice; and are free to move and work anywhere in Ethiopia regardless of their ethnicity and first language they speak – democracy is the only solution. To build Ethiopia where all of her children can enjoy equality and freedom, we need to be Ethiopian. I don’t think Somalians or Sudanese or Kenyans can talk about democracy in Ethiopia. If they did it may in the context of their national interest. The LFs sees themselves as foreign to Ethiopia and talk about “Ethiopian Empire, Abyssinian, colonialism, formation of independent states, etc”. Their politics is based on sticking nail in old wounds and letting it bleed than work on common goals where healing can start and we can work towards brining democratic freedom to all Ethiopians. So, to be inclusive, one needs to promote common goal, Democratic and United Ethiopia, and craft their political agenda around this goal. To narrow differences, you need to sit down and develop basic understand and trust. You cannot develop trust in the way they formed AFD where clearly they designed anti-Ethiopian agenda. They rushed to put through their pre-written memorandum of understanding, they refused to talk about national issues, they even came up with pre-arranged name of the alliance and refused to give it Ethiopian identity and they talk about “Ethiopia and region”. Which part is Ethiopia and which one is region? You know it and I know what the mean by talking about “Ethiopia and region.” Anyway, as I said above, it is not helpful if we keep talking about the past. We know that AFD was and is exclusive club of movements or fronts with anti-Ethiopian agenda. We won’t do any good if we keep talking about past. They are certainly entitled to form the alliance. Now to move forward, we need to think about future. Although it is recent event, we need to forgive each other, be inclusive and work towards brining peace, stability and democratic political system where every citizen of Ethiopia can enjoy equality and freedom in DEMOCRATIC AND UNITED ETHIOPIA. Every political party must commit itself to lay down this common foundation where all of us can stand together. 3) National Conference and TG: Leading up to the foundation meeting of AFD, the whole issue was about convening national conference, not forming an alliance in that meeting. That was where the whole thing went wrong. To invite all political parties involved in Ethiopian politics in one way or the other, there is a need to form a TASKFORCE that can organize the ALL INCLUSIVE NATIONAL SALVATION CONFRENCE. The conference must give a real chance for peace and democracy. Therefore, all Ethiopian political parties including LFs – foes and friends – need to come to one forum with one thing in mind – SAVING ETHIOPIA. The reason I brought up TG is NOT to put the cart ahead of the horse. It is intended, rather to give some sort of objective to participants, and in my opinion that can keep them together and work to lay a strong foundation for democracy is establishing TG with life span of up to three years. What the group can do in regards to TG is deciding on the life span and structure. Otherwise, I believe they need to go for National Salvation Conference with TG in their mind as expected outcome. 4 A few points you made: being open minded, inclusive and embracing others is important and I have no problems with that. This can occur by itself if we have common goals. I hope you are not trying to suggest contrary to the above. Because, if one embraces the other for the sake of embracing with a marked difference in goals, it is not genuine and would not last long. Where there is a fundamental difference, not just being different in ideas, but also aiming to destroy one another, first narrowing those differences and developing common goals lead to trust and embracing each other. Embracing each other needs to take place naturally than in the form of rule. Regarding my comment, which you called “ugly phrase” I think you took my comment out of context. I believe there is NO one better Ethiopian than the other – we all are Ethiopians of diverse language and culture that are bound by Ethiopia~winet and that is what made us Ethiopian. In fact my opposition to ethnic politics of anti-Ethiopian sentiment – LFs is based on politics of hate and division, which flourished under TPLF/EPRDF. No one is better than the other and we must push to build a system that can treat all Ethiopians equal. There is NO LESS OR MORE ETHIOPIA~WINET – because ETHIOPIA~WINET is not graded. My intention was to point out the role of the so-called KIL leader, Andargachew, in promoting politics of hate and tribalism, which is the same as politics of woyanne. On the other hand, my intention was to say getting organized in ethnicity does not mean anti-Ethiopian. For example, I was referring to the Southern Ethiopian People who were organized in ethnicity and then formed a front to save Ethiopia from woyanne. To be honest, if the Southern Ethiopian People did not act in that way, we would have ended up with very different types of problems in our hand today. So, I don’t have any problem with Ethiopian orientated Ethnic Politics. I have problem when it is aimed at destroying Ethiopia, LFs approach. |
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D_Befekadu
Dec 1st, 2006 - 1:33 AM |
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Yenantew Thank you for your encouraging comment. Ewnet happen to be one of a few people like Askale and others who discuss the matter on the table objectively. In a few exchanges I had with Ewnet, we understand each other very well dispite some differences. Those differences are positive and without them we wouldn't be exchanging ideas. It is important that we remain objective. Once again thank you. |
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TTT
Dec 1st, 2006 - 2:13 AM |
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I share Yenantew's comment on what you guys are doing. I have little to say. A great job! |
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Baqella
Dec 1st, 2006 - 6:10 PM |
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D-Befekadu=TTT=Askale Dama=EPRP Go look for naftagna websites elsewhere. |
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Ewnet Ferede
Dec 1st, 2006 - 9:53 PM |
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Befekadu You said: “So, I don’t have any problem with Ethiopian orientated Ethnic Politics. I have problem when it is aimed at destroying Ethiopia, LFs approach” I guess, that says it all. If I have to write the above sentence, I don’t think I would do it better. I support the movement of the Oromo (or any other nationalities) for justice and democracy, but I oppose the question of separation for it is not the means to get rid of injustice. A typical example is Eritrea. Today, for most Eritrean freedom seekers, Meles’s Ethiopia is a safe heaven. A person who has a chronic stomach disease does need Chemotherapy! The intractable problem of Ethiopia is that the people are ahead of their leaders. All the parties of the last 35 years neglected the role that can be played by a strong grass roots movement, all of them aimed at a short path to 4-Kilo than embracing the people who can carry them to 4-Kilo. As Befekadu put it nicely, Kinjit was put together overnight to just grab power. The leader of Kinjit was once a member of UEDF , but declined to continue working with UEDF under the leadership of other personalities. To be frank, Prof. Beyene, Eng. Hailu, Prof. Merera, and Ato Lidetu are the four dragons that poured water on the otherwise hot movement of the Ethiopian people. Each of these four people were infatuated on the issue of who becomes the next leader, they were worried on the “who” question instead of the “how” and “when” issue. The solution for Ethiopia’s problem is complex, but not impossible. All we need is a new brand of leaders whose only motto is ending oppression. We need charismatic leaders who can rally the Ethiopian people behind them. We need leaders who promise and deliver, we need leaders who don’t promise the impossible and who don’t try to prevent the inevitable. All in all, as Befekadu said, we need an all rounded conference that invites all stakeholder to a common goal. An alliance should be created. One of the objectives of the alliance could be getting rid of TPLF, but this should not be, I repeat, should not be the goal of the alliance. The goal of the alliance should be establishing a true democratic country where individual and group right of all citizens will be protected. We need a democratic country with established rule of law where power changes from one hand to another in a very civilized manner! |
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Weyannie
Dec 1st, 2006 - 10:05 PM |
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Baqella, Do you think EPRP is a bad name in ethiopia? Think again. Its the only party in which ethiopians from the four corners have atleast spent a day considering it. At least when they were young. From the northern part of the country, From Afar in the east to Amara and Tigray in the west, there is no animosity or bad feeling to EPRP. Maybe people were angry on the road from Axum to Gonder as to how EPRP sent the young against Derg without proper security and military prparation, training and planning, thus making them victims of the death squads, but hate to EPRP you will not find. I can't see it being different in the rest of the country. Its not like Addis Ababa hates EPRDF (probably because of its Tigre part) and most of the country hates CUD because of its anti federal constitution and rights stance. |
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D_Befekadu
Dec 2nd, 2006 - 2:05 AM |
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To All Those Who Wonder Who I am I am NOT Amhara or Afar I am NOT Oromo or Tigre I am NOT Gurage or Adere I am NOT Sidama or Kambata I am NOT Hadiya or Wolaita I am NOT Mursi or Gambella I am NOT Benshangul or .... As ALL of the above are Ethiopians I am Amhara and Afar I am Oromo and Tigre I am Gurage and Adere I am Sidama and Kambata I am Hadiya and Wolaita I am Mursi and ... etc and etc I AM AN ETHIOPIAN!!! I want freedom and democracy I want justice and equality I want unity and sovergnity I want peace and stability I want end to state sponsored terrorism I want justice for terror victim I want end to hate and triblism I want Democratic and United Ethiopia I want all of her children to enjoy Democracia! I AM ETHIOPIAN FOR ETHIOPIA!!! |
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Baqella
Dec 2nd, 2006 - 2:22 PM |
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D-Befekadu, You are tring to answer the Shakespearian play like issue: TO be or not to be an Ethiopian; that is the question. What we are saying is give Oromia and Ogadenia a chance for their respective independence from Amhara-Tigre tyranny. So you can go to Abysinnia. |
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TTT
Dec 2nd, 2006 - 6:49 PM |
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Baqella I think it is that sort of ethnicity Befekadu is opposed. He made clear that he doesn't have any problem with ethnicity as long as it is Ethiopia oriented. So, what you are saying is about hate, ethnic cleansing and genocide. You better join woyanne. |
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Dubale
Dec 2nd, 2006 - 6:54 PM |
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Woyanies are fascists in Ethiopia and they will be fascists in Somalia. We don't want Somalis to be subjected to Woyanies tribalism as we are experiencing in Ethiopia. |
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Jal
Dec 7th, 2006 - 9:35 PM |
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From what we have got on hand it looks like kinijit shouldn't have been formed in the first place. It reminds me Solomon Tekalign's song "Hulum Zero Zero". |
Mekonnen
Dec 8th, 2006 - 10:53 AM |
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Ato D_Befekadu, There is only one thing I would like to say to, Embete Askale Dama, Ewnet,TTT etc. I am with you and I am learning a lot. I can’t articulate like you guys .But don’t forget, I do the thinking. I am proud of you, all Ethiopians born in our country should be proud you.I am certain; you could make a difference if you had a responsibility in Ethiopia or Africa. What we need is ONE MAN to change this vicious cycle of poverty and dictatorship in Ethiopia or Africa. What we need is one MAN like D_Befekadu and one WOMEN like Embete Askale Dama. Ato D_Befekadu, just one question, why don’t you take over the Engineer Hailu Shawel’s political party in Europe and America? Why don’t you get in to contact with these people and try to transform the existed organizations? Mekonnen |
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D_Befekadu
Dec 9th, 2006 - 9:41 AM |
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Mekonnen, You posed the following questions: "Ato D_Befekadu, just one question, why don’t you take over the Engineer Hailu Shawel’s political party in Europe and America? Why don’t you get in to contact with these people and try to transform the existed organizations?" Let me put it this way, it is take overs and attempts to take over that have left us with what we have got on our hand and on head of our people. Transformation of organization does not need take over. It can be transformed when the members and leaders are committed and trust each other. When leaders are prepared to trust people and accept direction from people. The problem we have is result of attempt to control and promote once own interest and ambition ahead of people's interest. Woyanne assumed power only to control and exploit the people and also destroy the country. Then, it found it too sweet to leave and decided to maintain grip on power by spilling innocent people’s blood. Kinijit was so greedy and power thirsty and opportunist that even condemned fellow opposition in attempt to ensure its entry to palace. When it suites its greed it even advocated the Meles regime’s decision to ban some political parties such as TAND, EPRP, MEISON and many others from taking part in the election. That should have been a time for people to stop and ask kinijit, Where is your commitment to democracy? How can you support TPLF’s decisions? However, people didn't do that because those sorts of approaches - check and balance, accountability and responsibility - have not developed as part of our political system. Challenging leaders and asking those types of questions was and still now is regarded as being against the party and also against the people. In a good and matured political system this sort of questions are regarded as putting the party back on track. As you can see kinijit says "kinijit is spirit". They go on to say "kinijit is the spirit of people." These types of grandiose statements are designed to create a system like "SEMAI AYITARESIM NIGUS AYKESSESM". It was heading to deliver another tyrant that could claim supernatural or divine power being bestowed upon it and that power is not subject to challenge. So, it must be the people who should demand transformation of the organization. How many kinijit members were brave enough to stand up and condemn it when kinijit joined Liberation Fronts? How many people were open enough to demand explanation about kinijit’s silence and revers condemnation of UEDF on the issue of Ethiopian flag being stamped on in Asmara? One final question, were people happy about kinijit’s position on both issues? On the above issues many people were angry and upset but remained silent because they thought opposing kinijit could be regarded tantamount to opposing Ethiopia. Origin of this fear is from the concept of “kinijit is spirit” that is introduced by kinijit itself. However, eventually people responded to kinijit failure – abandoning of its political platform (becoming tribalist and also ASGETAI), association with liberation fronts, failure to work with pro-Ethiopian democratic political forces, failure to commit itself to democracy and Ethiopian unity, and echoing OLF’s agenda (dismantling Ethiopia) in name of delivering “peace to Ethiopia and region”. I am hopeful that people will come together and decide whom it wants to lead the struggle. Sufficient lessons have been learnt from kinijit. So, my friend, individuals like me should not attempt to take over a party. It should be the party that transforms itself and attract people who serve the purpose of people and the country. |
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Jal
Dec 9th, 2006 - 4:50 PM |
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Mekonnen, You are right, people like Befekadu need to come forward and do something to bring opposition together. It doesn't make sense if Befekadu and Askale remain computer screen. |
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Balcha
Dec 10th, 2006 - 2:25 PM |
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Dear Jal, You raised a good question. but our dismay D-Befekadu and Askale Dama are outlaws who killed KIl and disappeared from the ER scene for some days now. How can we re-activate them? |
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Balcha
Dec 10th, 2006 - 2:39 PM |
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Dear Jal, You raised a good question. But to our dismay D-Befekadu and Askale Dama are outlaws who killed KIl and disappeared from the ER scene for some days now. How can we re-activate them? |
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Jal
Dec 10th, 2006 - 10:35 PM |
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Balcha, Regardless of where they are, I am glad they killed KIL. You know that it is KIL that formed alliance of liberation fronts. |
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TTT
Dec 10th, 2006 - 10:39 PM |
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Balcha Askale is in a short vacation and D_Befekadu continues his great work. |
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BBK
Dec 12th, 2006 - 5:27 PM |
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Dear Balcha, We are facing a great danger these days. The twin-EPRP genrals are here to destroy OLF as they did succeed with CUD. We should resist these twin dangerous persons. CUD is dead shot on the head by no less than D-Befekadu and Askale Dama. These EPRP-clandistine committee members are dangerous snakes poisoning opposition fronts by their poisonous pen of venum. We must fight against the two before they kill OLF-spirit in the ER Forum. |
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Gemoraw
Dec 16th, 2006 - 5:27 AM |
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Can it be trusted to manage state finance? |
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TTT
Dec 16th, 2006 - 5:32 AM |
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Gemoraw Don't expect anything good from kinijit. It is corrupt, it is dictatorial, it is undecmoratic and just like woyanne. Look at them fighting each other get share of fund that collected to aid the struggle. Look at them, appointing each other to that post or to this post. Where democracy? |
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Alamirew
Dec 16th, 2006 - 7:24 AM |
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D_Befekadu, Here are the points that oppose your claim 1) Divide the opposition camp; Which opposition camp did Kinijit divide? Kinijit was as possible working together with all Ethiopian parties in order for good for Ethiopia. Did kinijit have any authority on any other opposition camp/party? NO. As soon it was formed (from 4 to 1) it’s focus was teaching the public within the very limited time before the election. The only other opposition present in Ethiopia was UEDF. So which opposition camp did kinijit tried to divide? THERE WAS NO ANY! 2) Accept the woyanne National Election Board; By not accepting the already existed National Election Board there was no any way kinijit was able to compete in the election. That means it was going to loose the election. Not only kinijit but also all Ethiopians knew the election board was not free from woyane. Because of that quitting was not the better option but it was the worst option. Kinjit participated in the election and in the process to force the election board to behave in the right way. And even kinijit had its own determined observers through out the country who were going to observe the ballot counting. But these people were harassed by woyane at the election time. There were also other promising things that were going to help force the election board to work properly. The thousands of domestic election observers! But they were denied up to the last time of the Election Day. Finally for Kinijit, as a big party, it was not the best option not to accept the already existed election board and not to participate in the elections. 3) Race against fellow opposition parties; With which opposition party did kinijit race against? The only other opposition was UEDF. Kinijit didn’t try to race against UEDF. Even both parties were trying to merge and to present a single individual in election areas where woyane was going to have better number of voters were out of time to assign a single individual in those areas. 4) Back woyanne in banning some political parties from participating in the election; Do you have any evidence for this your claim? Did kinijit have any authority for that? Even the banning or not banning job was being done by not directly woyane but b its agent “election board” so where was kinijits hand to ban others? 5) Accept woyanne agents in its ranks; This idea is just meaningless, what do you mean by that? Kinijit said any one can be a member of kinijit as long as he/she accepts the parties program. So where was the wrong doing by kinijit? The other way of saying it is accepting any member is no ones business but it is only that of kinijit. 6) Accept woyanne constitution; Democracy is not built once but it is a process. At the election time there was no any other option to participate for the election with out accepting the already existed woyanes constitution. But kinijit promised for the public to change a number of things from the constitution like to take out article 39 and to referendum for geographic federalism vs. ethnic federalism. 7) Fail to put firm pre-conditions to take part in the election; It wasn’t the right option before the election to put firm pre-conditions, otherwise it was difficult to participate in the election. 8) Fail to work with fellow opposition in a spirit of cooperation; What you said is Wrong! Part 3 above answers this in part. 9) Put party politics ahead of the interest of the people; This is joke, white lie. It was because of the interest of the people that kinijit gave woyane the 8 pre-conditions to enter parliament. Those pre-conditions were not party interests. They were foundations for democracy! 10) Fail to have a strong central leadership Really? What were your relating criteria to judge them that they didn’t have strong central leadership? I believe they are the best politician Ethiopia ever has in this 21st century. No Ethiopian party, ever, proved to be strong as kinijit. I spent my time to disprove your deliberate propaganda against kinijit. I did this because you are making a lot of anti-kinijit postings in the past few months. Your are focusing and searching any thing which you think is weakens of kinijit. Your plan is to make kinijit useless in the minds of readers. You are posting a lot again and again hoping to make behavioral change on readers towards kinijit. You look like you are determined to work on anti-kinijit propaganda for your hidden evil agenda. You perfectly look like for me as EPRP agent (power monoger), if not, you are woyane or shabia agent. How much bad are you? That was the reason why I said in my first posting as you are YEBEG LEMID YATELEKIK TEKULA |
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Tsige
Dec 17th, 2006 - 3:35 PM |
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Thanks to God. It would have been another 15 years before we get rid off corrupt kinijit if it grabed power. Now we have only one corrupt gang, TPLF/EPRDF, to get rid off. |
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D_Befekadu
Dec 17th, 2006 - 11:58 PM |
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Alamirew Thank you for your reply to my comments. Before I delve into the main points, your statement referring to me “you are YEBEG LEMID YATELEKIK TEKULA” is of low standard and certainly I did not expect this from you. I don’t want to say anything like that to you. I rather leave it for the forum participants to make their own judgement on your standard. Getting back to the main point, I posted ten main actions of kinijit that contributed to the current crisis. Those are my view and based on the factual observations. Your reply to all of my points was denial and reflects classical characteristics of kinijit and its members. I refute what you said as follows: Point One: Divide the opposition camp; In your reply you started with question “Which opposition camp did Kinijit divide? And finished with another question. The only other opposition present in Ethiopia was UEDF. So which opposition camp did kinijit tried to divide? THERE WAS NO ANY!” You failed to accept facts. The kinijit’s founding member organizations (the two major ones) were members of UEDF. The reason they left was that they did not get chairmanship or other top positions. All positions in UEDF were filled in a democratic process. By not abiding to the democratic outcome, they have basically against democratic principles. Therefore, one can conclude that they would not deliver democracy. By leaving UEDF, they created division. The whole reason they formed kinijit in a hasty 4 hours meeting with two newly formed parties, keste-demena and EDL, was to compete UEDF than EPRDF. This was practically demonstrated and I will mention in appropriate point in this response. Point two: Accept the woyanne National Election Board; Your reply does not make sense. You said ”By not accepting the already existed National Election Board there was no any way kinijit was able to compete in the election. That means it was going to loose the election.” You don’t loose election if you don’t participate. With such organized opposition, if kinijit did not rush to accept the board, woyanne could have been forced by internal and external pressure an |
