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D_Befekadu
Oct 8, 06 - 8:29 PM |
Kinijit is damaged beyond repair. What is next? What is implication of this on AFD?
The latest scandal with kinijit is frightening and takes away any confidence the public could have on this organization. Six months ago, it stepped out of its core principle and formed an alliance with separatist movements. Its alliance is dubbed as Alliance For Disaster by millions of Ethiopians. The organization and it’s a few supporters are noted resisting to endorse the Citizen’s Charter, which is based on the democratic principles and universal human rights as well as paves the way to guarantee the Ethiopian unity by all parties who have stake on Ethiopian affairs. While our concern is growing the way this organization operates on matters of national importance, lately we are hearing that kinijit is grossly corrupt and dysfunctional. Elias promised to come up with more information about Kinijit North America. According to Elias, the kinijit North America is running out of money as a result of gross financial mismanagement by its chairman and his associates. Elias’ report would be just about one office. The importance of this office is that it is regarded as International Head Quarter of Kinijit. The problem observed in this office is widespread and kinijit everywhere suffers from dysfunctional behaviour and financial mismanagement. If kinijit cannot operate transparently and honestly as an organization, can it run a country of 75 million people? We have corrupt, treasonous, and fascist government already in the palace. Our struggle is to replace TPLF/EPRDF government with legal, elected, transparent, honest, responsible and accountable government. The current kinijit is associated with shaabia in the same way TPLF has been, and opposes Ethiopian unity, and formed AFD to dismantle Ethiopia. In addition, we are hearing about is corruption and internal fighting. What is next? What is the implication of this on the so-called AFD? What are the impacts of this on the overall opposition movements? |
D_Befekadu
Oct 8th, 2006 - 8:37 PM |
I am forced to post this after hearing several kinijit supporters version of argument that angelizes the kinijit leaders. They think those people cannot make mistakes and if there was something hidden against Ethiopia in AFD they wouldn't have formed it. Therefore, they argue that we should support the AFD. What the public knowledge is that some of KIL members are woyanne agents and now others turned out to be corrupt. Where do stand here with organization? How can we make it accountable? |
Tedi
Oct 9th, 2006 - 12:13 AM |
Why do you ask this question at this point of time? Did you want it to die? I think you wanted it disappear from the political scene. I can assure you it will survive all EPRP/UEDF orchestrated drama. Remember, kinijit is Spirit and Spirit does not die. Long Live Kinijit! |
D_Befekadu
Oct 9th, 2006 - 1:03 AM |
Tedi I have no intention to see kinijit die. Your allegation of the whole dram is being orchestrated by EPRP/UEDF is the very illness that is killing kinijit. It alway failed to take responsibility. Blaming others for its own failure is defining characteristic of kinijit. So, I don't blame you because you are told that is the only way to demonstrate that your are kinijit member or supporter. |
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Realist
Oct 9th, 2006 - 1:21 AM |
Befekadu, It was obvious from the start that you, like your CC partner Askale, have been wishing to have Kinijit 'reprimanded' for allying with OLF/SLF/ONLF. Sinc your anti-AFD proganda did not work, you resorted to drafting he socalled CC in a desperate attempt to isolate Kinijit from its supporters. Again you pitifully failed. Now, you are blowing the internal problem within the KIL out of proportion for your political gains. Is it really about the path the Kinijit has taken or simply your with to see Kinijit dead. As Askale suggested in the other thread, both 'factions' are pro-AFD. Therefore, your hysteria regarding the internal crisis has nothing to do with Kinijit's membership in AFD but your wish to see Kinijit die. Are you really a true citizen who drafts(compaigns for) a Charter for Ethiopians? Is it about power, ego, grandiosity or a concern for the country we all wish to call "our Ethiopia" someday? |
D_Befekadu
Oct 9th, 2006 - 1:37 AM |
The way to call Ethiopia "our Ethiopia" is with Ethiopian agenda in mind. You are openly telling the Ethiopian people that you are sponsored by shaabia and you would finish off what is left of TPLF. I challenge you to put this in a paper and then there will be no problem between you and me as well as between you and the rest of Ethiopia. Ask OLF to come up with acceptable national agenda, otherwise, OLF remains tegentai and kinijit remains asgentai. In terms of the death of kinijit, you are the one who killed it. We know why you and your masters decided to target kinijit. I am sure by now it is clear to you that the horse you wanted to ride into Addis Ababa is dead horse and cannot even cross the border from Eritrea let alone enter Addis Ababa. Bad luck to you! |
D_Befekadu
Oct 9th, 2006 - 8:23 PM |
As promised Elias reported the disappearance of a substential amount of money from one kinijit chapter. I believe similar mismanagement and corruption and exists accross the organization and I suggests members of kinijit to demand an indpendent audit on the financial management of their organization. |
Ambachew
Dec 16th, 2006 - 9:59 AM |
Well, kinijit damaged itself and cannot be repaired. |
Jal
Dec 16th, 2006 - 10:37 AM |
Well, they are both dead. |
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Andualem
Dec 16th, 2006 - 10:38 AM |
Kinijit is dead shot on the head by Andargachew Tsige for a dollar! Rest assured, "For the CUD leadership, it means to acknowledge the mistake they made in not taking over the task they were elected by the people to perform–to administers the capital city and to represent all their constituents in Parliament–thereby provoking protests that led to so many unnecessary deaths." Donald Levine. |
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Obolessa
Dec 16th, 2006 - 11:40 AM |
Kinijit is damaged gone to a dead end Rest assured AFD is dead Shot on the head For a dollar by Andargachew Tsige The trouble maker Shaabia lover! Once and forever! Forget Kinijit Stand to creat a new fighting front!
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TTT
Dec 17th, 2006 - 3:37 PM |
Well, there is no more implication to AFD. It is dead too. |
D_Befekadu
Dec 17th, 2006 - 3:59 PM |
I appologize for my foolishness and stupidity. |
Alamirew
Dec 17th, 2006 - 7:02 PM |
D_Befekadu, Here are the points that oppose your claim 1) Divide the opposition camp; Which opposition camp did Kinijit divide? Kinijit was as possible working together with all Ethiopian parties in order for good for Ethiopia. Did kinijit have any authority on any other opposition camp/party? NO. As soon it was formed (from 4 to 1) it’s focus was teaching the public within the very limited time before the election. The only other opposition present in Ethiopia was UEDF. So which opposition camp did kinijit tried to divide? THERE WAS NO ANY! 2) Accept the woyanne National Election Board; By not accepting the already existed National Election Board there was no any way kinijit was able to compete in the election. That means it was going to loose the election. Not only kinijit but also all Ethiopians knew the election board was not free from woyane. Because of that quitting was not the better option but it was the worst option. Kinjit participated in the election and in the process to force the election board to behave in the right way. And even kinijit had its own determined observers through out the country who were going to observe the ballot counting. But these people were harassed by woyane at the election time. There were also other promising things that were going to help force the election board to work properly. The thousands of domestic election observers! But they were denied up to the last time of the Election Day. Finally for Kinijit, as a big party, it was not the best option not to accept the already existed election board and not to participate in the elections. 3) Race against fellow opposition parties; With which opposition party did kinijit race against? The only other opposition was UEDF. Kinijit didn’t try to race against UEDF. Even both parties were trying to merge and to present a single individual in election areas where woyane was going to have better number of voters were out of time to assign a single individual in those areas. 4) Back woyanne in banning some political parties from participating in the election; Do you have any evidence for this your claim? Did kinijit have any authority for that? Even the banning or not banning job was being done by not directly woyane but b its agent “election board” so where was kinijits hand to ban others? 5) Accept woyanne agents in its ranks; This idea is just meaningless, what do you mean by that? Kinijit said any one can be a member of kinijit as long as he/she accepts the parties program. So where was the wrong doing by kinijit? The other way of saying it is accepting any member is no ones business but it is only that of kinijit. 6) Accept woyanne constitution; Democracy is not built once but it is a process. At the election time there was no any other option to participate for the election with out accepting the already existed woyanes constitution. But kinijit promised for the public to change a number of things from the constitution like to take out article 39 and to referendum for geographic federalism vs. ethnic federalism. 7) Fail to put firm pre-conditions to take part in the election; It wasn’t the right option before the election to put firm pre-conditions, otherwise it was difficult to participate in the election. 8) Fail to work with fellow opposition in a spirit of cooperation; What you said is Wrong! Part 3 above answers this in part. 9) Put party politics ahead of the interest of the people; This is joke, white lie. It was because of the interest of the people that kinijit gave woyane the 8 pre-conditions to enter parliament. Those pre-conditions were not party interests. They were foundations for democracy! 10) Fail to have a strong central leadership Really? What were your relating criteria to judge them that they didn’t have strong central leadership? I believe they are the best politician Ethiopia ever has in this 21st century. No Ethiopian party, ever, proved to be strong as kinijit. I spent my time to disprove your deliberate propaganda against kinijit. I did this because you are making a lot of anti-kinijit postings in the past few months. Your are focusing and searching any thing which you think is weakens of kinijit. Your plan is to make kinijit useless in the minds of readers. You are posting a lot again and again hoping to make behavioral change on readers towards kinijit. You look like you are determined to work on anti-kinijit propaganda for your hidden evil agenda. You perfectly look like for me as EPRP agent (power monoger), if not, you are woyane or shabia agent. How much bad are you? That was the reason why I said in my first posting as you are YEBEG LEMID YATELEKIK TEKULA |
D_Befekadu
Dec 17th, 2006 - 11:07 PM |
Alamirew Thank you for your reply to my comments. Before I delve into the main points, your statement referring to me “you are YEBEG LEMID YATELEKIK TEKULA” is of low standard and certainly I did not expect this from you. I don’t want to say anything like that to you. I rather leave it for the forum participants to make their own judgement on your standard. Getting back to the main point, I posted ten main actions of kinijit that contributed to the current crisis. Those are my view and based on the factual observations. Your reply to all of my points was denial and reflects classical characteristics of kinijit and its members. I refute what you said as follows: Point One: Divide the opposition camp; In your reply you started with question “Which opposition camp did Kinijit divide? And finished with another question. The only other opposition present in Ethiopia was UEDF. So which opposition camp did kinijit tried to divide? THERE WAS NO ANY!” You failed to accept facts. The kinijit’s founding member organizations (the two major ones) were members of UEDF. The reason they left was that they did not get chairmanship or other top positions. All positions in UEDF were filled in a democratic process. By not abiding to the democratic outcome, they have basically against democratic principles. Therefore, one can conclude that they would not deliver democracy. By leaving UEDF, they created division. The whole reason they formed kinijit in a hasty 4 hours meeting with two newly formed parties, keste-demena and EDL, was to compete UEDF than EPRDF. This was practically demonstrated and I will mention in appropriate point in this response. Point two: Accept the woyanne National Election Board; Your reply does not make sense. You said ”By not accepting the already existed National Election Board there was no any way kinijit was able to compete in the election. That means it was going to loose the election.” You don’t loose election if you don’t participate. With such organized opposition, if kinijit did not rush to accept the board, woyanne could have been forced by internal and external pressure and abolished the board. That was the time UEDF put forward its preconditions including replacement of the board with bipartisan board. This was not echoed by kinijit. In steady of backing UEDF and applying diplomatic and popular pressure, kinijit accepted the board and by doing so, it undermined the UEDF’s pre-conditions. This is what I am saying dividing opposition camp. Opposition failed to present as united not just as organization but also in ideas. This division was mainly driven by kinijit. In this line, you farther stated “Not only kinijit but also all Ethiopians knew the election board was not free from woyane. Because of that quitting was not the better option but it was the worst option. Kinjit participated in the election and in the process to force the election board to behave in the right way.” This is where kinijit effectively failed. It is political nativity to think that way. Woyanne cannot change by cooperating with it. You have already said it, the Ethiopian knows and the international community knows it that the board was not free from woyanne influence. That could have been used as a ground to apply national and international pressure on woyanne. Woyanne was forced to accept the international observers and in the same way it could have been forced to make major change. However, kinijit by failing to work with UEDF and by going its own way, it has made strategic mistake. The moment kinijit accepted the board; woyanne knows that it would retain that power. Point three: Race against fellow opposition parties; Your reply for this point is “With which opposition party did kinijit race against? The only other opposition was UEDF. Kinijit didn’t try to race against UEDF. Even both parties were trying to merge and to present a single individual in election areas where woyane was going to have better number of voters were out of time to assign a single individual in those areas.” First of all “race against fellow opposition” is a broad term or concept. I interpret it beyond filling candidates. In either case kinijit did compete against fellow opposition. Events occurred in relation to point one and point two are showing racing against fellow opposition. Second, there were a number of areas where UEDF was strong and woyanne was weak and kinijit was marginal and still kinijit ended up filling a candidate and the end result was win to woyanne. This was widely reported in the title “opposition defeats itself”. Check on EMF website. Point four: Back woyanne in banning some political parties from participating in the election; It is interesting to see going this far to deny facts and public information. In your reply to this point, again you have started with question and finished with question. You said “Do you have any evidence for this your claim? Did kinijit have any authority for that? Even the banning or not banning job was being done by not directly woyane but b its agent “election board” so where was kinijits hand to ban others?” In regards to evidence, check all interviews given by kinijit officials. In regards to authority issue, I did not say kinijit had authority. By accepting the woyanne board by implication kinijit endorsed the boards decision. Not only that, when woyanne refused entry to Ethiopia of political parties and stated those organization not based in Ethiopia cannot take part in the election, kiniijit made it clear to all private media outlets that participation in the election has to be based on having office in side Ethiopia. One then may ask why those organizations cannot open office in Ethiopia? The reason is woyanne continued making threats to arrest leaders of those organizations. Kinijit backed woyanne in all of those issues. This is public information. Point five: Accept woyanne agents in its ranks; You have dismissed this point by saying “This idea is just meaningless, what do you mean by that? Kinijit said any one could be a member of kinijit as long as he/she accepts the parties program. So where was the wrong doing by kinijit? The other way of saying it is accepting any member is no ones business but it is only that of kinijit.” In the first place there was no membership of kinijit. It was group of people who got together and declared formation of CUD following morning coffee break meeting. Second, when it became CUDP, the decision was made by those groups rather than by members. After all there were no members of kinijit. This point is related to other points where I mentioned about racing against fellow opposition. It was AEUP that declared EDP has a close link to TPLF and as result halted the merger it was going to carry out with EDP. All of sudden, EDP was better than all those organizations in the UEDF and AEUP ended up forming coalition with a party it once called linked to TPLF/EPRDF. This was driven by attempt to race against UEDF than the common ground the two parties had. Appointment of known woyanne servants in the ranks of kinijit has nothing to do membership. Your argument does not hold water because; according to what you are saying Bereket Simon could have been a member of kininjit if he wished to do so. Well, as you said membership is kinijit’s business and it did so well by becoming a member of anti-Ethiopian alliance. Point six: Accept woyanne constitution; You said “Democracy is not built once but it is a process.” This is a repeat of woyanne’s argument. Whoever says this, it is logical but that logic fails when the process is abused. Here basically, you are endorsing what woyanne has been telling us, “we are building democracy”. It is pathetic that this woyanne style argument is coming indirectly. Building democracy does not give you licence to approve mistakes. Let me ask one question. Would accept woyanne excuse of “we are building democracy” in attempt to cover up its murder of innocent people? By participating in the election all parties acknowledged the constitution. What makes kinijit different is it never put its intention to change to constitution. It only said that it endorsed the constitution. Contrary to this, the other major opposition, UEDF, made it clear from inception that it intends to abolish the woyanne constitution. Part seven: Fail to put firm pre-conditions to take part in the election; You wrote “It wasn’t the right option before the election to put firm pre-conditions, otherwise it was difficult to participate in the election.” This is laughable! This is one of fundamental failure of kinijit. Preconditions before election could have changed the outcome of the election. Putting pre-condition cannot make things difficulty at all to participate in the election. I am talking about influencing the outcome of the election. The point I am making is that pre-conditions before election could have changed the out come of the election. You are repeating the easy option kinijit took at the time. Well, can I say well done? No! That was where kinijit’s political maturity was measured. It was very naïve and childish to think that pre-conditions could make participation in the election difficult. . Point eight: Fail to work with fellow opposition in a spirit of cooperation; You wrote “What you said is Wrong! Part 3 above answers this in part.” My friend, you are simply refusing to accept facts. Without adding any further, my explanation to the above one to seven points highlight kinijit’s unwillingness to work with fellow oppositions. Point nine: Put party politics ahead of the interest of the people; You said “This is joke, white lie. It was because of the interest of the people that kinijit gave woyane the 8 pre-conditions to enter parliament. Those pre-conditions were not party interests. They were foundations for democracy!” Oh my God! My friend, your’s is really a joke. The whole issue of entering parliament and the so-called 8-point pre-conditions can be described as following. Overall, the pre-conditions were hollow statements. They were designed to address the unavoidable division in the ranks of leadership of kinijit in regards to entering parliament. A group, which prefers entering parliament led by Dr Berhanu Nega and supported by Lidetu Ayalew (kinijit’s Manadela) had a commanding lead over Ato Hailu Shawel led opposition. The senior kinijit advisor Prof Mesfin brought the two groups together and advised Dr Berhanu Nega to put pre-conditions before entering parliament and Ato Hailu nodded his head, indicating his agreement to enter parliament if the 8 point preconditions were met. Ato Meles who follows closely what was unfolding in kinijit camp via his agents already decided to jail those who crossed the RED LINE and those whom Meles calls “members and supporters of the former fascist regime” and instructs Lidetu to get ready to enter parliament. So, the 8-point pre-conditions were designed as a face saving tool than to make any change. Are you saying those 8-point precondition could have changed the out come of the election? If that is the case, you are wrong. Point ten: Fail to have a strong central leadership In your reply you started by posing questions and then concluded that they are best politicians Ethiopia has in 21st century. You wrote “Really? What were your relating criteria to judge them that they didn’t have strong central leadership?” Let us look issues relating to Lidetu. What measure was taken to clear Lidetu and appoint him into a senior position in kinijit? We have heard AEUP saying that EDP is related to TPLF/EPRDF, yet without any explanation, Lidetu was one of the most senior people in the kinijit. How did they appoint Ato Hailu Shawel to his position? The whole reason was if he didn’t get it he would do the same damage he did to UEDF. It was based on bad behaviour than performance. You further stated “I believe they are the best politician Ethiopia ever has in this 21st century. No Ethiopian party, ever, proved to be strong as kinijit.” That is what you believe and you are entitled for it. What is clear in your point is inflated statement. For example, “best politician Ethiopia ever has in this 21st century.” What you are missing is we were only in the fifth year in the 21st century when the election took place and your statement is too exaggerated. They are the best for you and because of that you may sang for Lidetu “Ethiopian Mandela.” Look at all the decisions they made in relation to above 10 points. If those can make them the best leaders, it wouldn’t be that long before you call Addisu legesse is the best leader. After all, kinijit is tribalist anyway; if you belong to his tribe you could very well say that and praise him as a best leader. |
TTT
Dec 17th, 2006 - 11:57 PM |
D_Befekadu I thought you were going let Alamirew get away. I am glad you responed to his garbage. Let us see what he says. I hope he wouldn't continue denying facts. |
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Sewyew
Dec 18th, 2006 - 2:20 AM |
Yegna sew D_Befekadu, Shih'amet yingesu beterawo... but answer my question. Why did you go to that length with information that is based on the media you dispise a lot-ER and its leader Elias? Tell me why you think what ER is reporting is credible and sufficient ground for you to pass a judgement upon a subject and fact on the ground to which, I must tell you that you and many in this forum are ignorant. There is no need to tell you what was actually happening. I have a second question. In what ways did CUD's membership in ADF violated the principles that CUD was espousing? Didn't CUD call for a national reconciliation? Didn't you hear that a mechanism was being designed to call all parties together to plan how to form a political system that alows all political motivations to come to a peaceful engagement? I sinserely hope that you would understand the difference between bringing all kinds of political opinions together. By so doing, Ethiopia would not start a step forward. The first step forward was not yet even after the parties come together. The plan was, it is now thwarted, for the politicians to accept the will of the people and stop and think that 'they are not the people'. They were only presenting a point of view that they believe is acceptable to the people and if the people so wills to take leadership of the affairs of the land. I hope your response would be a positive one, yagere sew... lemanachewm berta berta bileh negerun atinew! Shimaglew! |
D_Befekadu
Dec 18th, 2006 - 7:31 PM |
Sewyew Thank you for your well thought comments and questions. To answer your question “Why did you go to that length with information that is based on the media you dispise a lot-ER and its leader Elias?” I don’t need to take too much time of mine as well as yours. My assessment was not based on media report such as ER only. However, I should note that media also provides important information on time. The quality and accuracy of information may be dependent on the objectives of particular media outlet and individuals who operate it. Getting back to the point, I have used my own direct contact with all major players, kinijit, hibret and others as my sources. One point I would like to make is, in regards to media, we should not accept its report only conveniently. You further stated “… I must tell you that you and many in this forum are ignorant. There is no need to tell you what was actually happening.” Ok, if you say many of us in this forum are ignorant, there may be points I (I can talk about myself only) missed or failed to understand. What are they? It be in the best interest of us if you share what you know, instead of closing with statement like “there is no need to tell you what was actually happening.” Don’t forget, truth cannot be defended if we keep it to ourselves only. Your second group of questions are “In what ways did CUD's membership in ADF violated the principles that CUD was espousing? Didn't CUD call for a national reconciliation? Didn't you hear that a mechanism was being designed to call all parties together to plan how to form a political system that allows all political motivations to come to a peaceful engagement?” These questions need to be seen from a broad perspective than the way kinijit wants to explain its position on those matters. First, founding member organizations of kinijit referred to organizations in the UEDF with ethnic affiliations to as tribalists and anti-unity forces with whom it could not work together. What kinijit conveniently failed was those organizations within UEDF accept Ethiopian unity and are struggling for democratic political change as opposed to liberation fronts with which kinijit ended up associating and forming friendship with shaabia. Secondly, these organizations within UEDF have no problem whatsoever with Ethiopian unity as opposed to AFD member liberation fronts who aspiring to solve problem of “Ethiopian Empire” in the name of brining freedom and democracy to “Ethiopia and its region.” This is the sticking point where they repeatedly failed to explain what they meant by “Ethiopia and region.” Which one is Ethiopia and which part is region? Are they talking about Kenya or Somalia or Sudan etc? You know it very well that the term “Ethiopia and region” as referred in AFD’s document has nothing to do with those countries and they are not in a position to do anything directly with any problems in those countries. In regards to “Didn't CUD call for a national reconciliation? Didn't you hear that a mechanism was being designed to call all parties together to plan how to form a political system that allows all political motivations to come to a peaceful engagement?” That is only talk, which is failed to reconcile with CUD/AFD's own actions. Why would they secretly engage in meeting with liberation fronts and deny such activities if it was truly for reconciliation? I have hard evidence, which shows that kinijit leaders said they are not in a position to do anything until the jailed leaders are freed. This was their reply to pro-Ethiopian political party that was calling upon them to work together. Sadly, they happen to be in a position to form alliance with liberation fronts that are opposed to the very existence of Ethiopia and supervised and supported by shaabia. Furthermore, kinijit's ten-page explanation about AFD reveals that they were having secret meetings with liberation fronts in a number of countries at the same time they told pro-Ethiopian party as mention above. In regards to mechanisms to bring all political parties together, why would they put the cart ahead of the horse? If that was the case, there was no need to form AFD. They could have simply formed a committee that can organize or work on the mechanism you mentioned arrange another meeting in which more parties could participate. By forming AFD, in fact kinijit created obstacle for any attempt of reconciliation or formation of national front that can topple the ethno-fascist regime of Meles Zenawi. |
TTT
Dec 18th, 2006 - 8:23 PM |
D_Befekadu, You are right! Shimaglew needs to tell us what he knows in steady of saying "There is no need to tell you what was actually happening." We do understand that shimagles sometimes have different way of explaining things, but this does not help in the current environment. |
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