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somemadeuppseudonym
 Aug 4, 07 - 5:10 PM |
Ecclectic Wiccans - Why their Cultural Appropriation is so UNCOOL!
I'm glad this site is back up and you've included a forum for adult discussions rather than the usual childish whining I've come to expect from Neopagans. This site is about Lesbian-Feminists who exploit Native American Spirituality, but I describes Wiccans to a T! 12 steps for Spritual Abusers http://www.geocities.com/spiritab_anon/problem.html THE PROBLEM Many of us found that we had several characteristics in common as a result of being a member of a Lesbian/Feminist 'community'. Because of our sexuality, or our growing consciousness of the sexual oppression of women, we had come to feel isolated and uneasy with other people, especially authority figures. To protect ourselves, we began to desire acceptance into a larger community. We became people pleasers, even though we lost our own identities in the process. All the same we would mistake any personal criticism or any criticism of the Lesbian/Feminist community as a threat. We either became alcoholics, used drugs recreationally, entered into therapy, abused the sacred tobacco plant, paid for Drumming Circles, Vision Quests, Sweat Lodges etc. conducted by Plastic Shame-ons. We relentlessly tried to buy what was not legitimately offered to us. We went to workshops, attended musical festival, and bought books which misrepresented Native American Spirituality for profit ourselves, and/or entered into relationships with such individuals who did these things. Failing that, we found other compulsive personalities, such as a fake shamans and spiritual gurus, Native Americans distanced from tribes to fulfill our sick, conflicting needs for abandonment and inclusion into a larger community. We lived live from the standpoint of victims. We became angry and defensive with legitimate Native American elders who warned us that our behavior was disrespectful. Having an over developed sense of responsibility; we preferred to be concerned with converting others rather than ourselves. We got guilt feelings when we trusted ourselves, giving in to others. We became reactors rather than actors, letting others take the initiative and defending our leaders unquestionly without trusting ourselves for guidance. We were dependent personalities, terrified of abandonment, willing to do almost anything to hold on to a relationship with the 'community" in order not to be abandoned emotionally. We keep choosing insecure relationships because they matched our childhood relationships in a White Patriarchal society. These symptoms of the spiritual disease of cultural appropriation or spiritual abuse made us 'co-victims', those who take on the characteristics of the disease without necessarily ever taking a drink We learned to keep our feelings down as children and keep them buried as adults. As a result of this conditioning, we often confused love with dominance and manipulation, tending to love those who could provide quick fixes and easy answers to our spiritual bankruptcy. Even more self-defeating, we became addicted to excitement in all our affairs, preferring the immediacy and pageantry of spiritual fads over the long term commitment and struggle to find workable solutions to our spiritual void. This is a description, not an indictment. |
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Former Blue Woo
Aug 13th, 2007 - 3:11 PM |
Re: Ecclectic Wiccans - Why their Cultural Appropriation is so UNCOOL!
This is deep. It really makes me think. I used to just laugh at the trendy happy crystal dykes, but now I think their behavior is problematic. Thanks for posting this 
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Chris
Jun 16th, 2008 - 12:45 PM |
Re: Ecclectic Wiccans - Why their Cultural Appropriation is so UNCOOL!
I think this hating behavior is problematic. And I really hope that when you feel the sting of hate close to you you decide that the smart way is not to turn around and hate more yet show some respect. All the haters here sound so stupid!! And yes, much of many of my replies are a generic form. It's original, yet used repeatedly, kinda like the material on this site - minus the original part. These hating fools couldn't even get an original thought out to save their life!! Well Martha this is our lucky day!! A yuck a yuck??? We get to read about a variety of hate here!! Or maybe it's not Martha but Bambi and there is Classical playing on your 5k stereo. It doesn't matter hate is ridiculous either way! And to do it in the name of free speach is sick!! You scream all ya want on-line. If someone spit on your kid and screamed they were some KKK Satan worshipers you'd have them arrested. It's abuse and slander and every hater here is an inbred yokel at heart. ***Legal Note*** I'm not Wiccan. I just get a kick out of bothering haters. Weeeeeeeell! It's just so nice to see all the haters gathered in one spot! Now stay here and leave the rest of us alone!! There is a connective knot that seems to bind you all. "I hate stupid people or people that spew stupid or false info." Very well. I have over a hundred fifty IQ I guess that give me the right to hate most people here if not all!!!! |
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Chris
Jun 17th, 2008 - 3:47 PM |
Re: Ecclectic Wiccans - Why their Cultural Appropriation is so UNCOOL!
Ok - this is my last visit here. I only came back because I knew it could open up a little to my exact point after a post, so one more visit was in order. But this is really not anything I want to dwell on for a number of reasons. A major one being that it is a waste of time to dwell on why who hates who, and really lame too. So in a round it off reply to all that would come - This IS a hate site. To say that it is not with welcome usage of stuff like WiKKKa is well just stupid. The KKK is a hater subculture. Period. To me it is not even rational to compare Wicca with the KKK. It is only a cheap ploy to gain superiority and put in a cheap cut down. And the IQ put in - well it should have been obvious and I can't believe I have to explain this again. I'll spell it out. And I'll use proper spelling too so I can't possibly get put down for being too common or stupid. Because you all see the logic in saying there are Wiccans that are stupid, can't spell, are uneducated in their own religion, and so on. . . Basically the idea being that people here have the right to bash an entire religion and people in it, well since everyone here justified themselves to be a hater because they are all sooooo much better and smarter - I was pointing out that if all can use the basis that they are all so much smarter and spell so much better, that gives them more rights, I was saying that following that logic I guess I have more rights than everyone spewing their hate. They want to say how they are so much smarter, I have a higher IQ than they do, so the logic laid down suggests that they would have to now listen to me. But now I am so shocked to see that someone is coming along saying their IQ is a few points higher and that gives them final rights. So shocked to see that. I just would have NEVER guessed that anyone would come along and do that!! But it does serve to make my point even more, doesn't it? Everyone hating here is just trying to prove one up. I am just so thrilled you win. Ya. Now you have more of a right to hate on your logic. Rules set by you. Ya. What a fun game. Still, all with an IQ under 155 have to listen to me, at least give me equal time. Or maybe we should get everyone IQ tested before they have a right to have a religion or perhaps we need to pass all ideals through the smartest yokel we can find?? And to anyone that will not get the inbred yokel hating haters idea idea I'm not even explaining. It already flew high over one head. The head of the one so much smarter than me I should add. In case the point is still not made - NO it does not give you the right to HATE because you're smarter or more well informed. NO you don't have the right to HATE because someone in that subculture ****** you off, even lots of someones. Spewing HATE remarks is not about free speech. NO Hate is not allowed as a good, health outlet to aggression of any kind. And all you'll ever get in return is hate. So decide if it's ok for someone to hate you back and decide if you want to live with that boundless, senseless aggression. I'll say only one thing more - This is hate, it should not have to be defended against by using wisdom or even with a level head. If someone opens their mouth and says "I hate" then they should expect retaliation to have no bounds, logic or consideration. There is no logic or bounds to hate. In the name of hate people can justify anything, war rape, murder and worse. There have even been implications here that Wiccans should burned as they claim to have been burned many moons ago. I do not care that someone spews false religion origins. It harms no one and is corrected ONLY with rationality and patience. Nothing is corrected with hate and boding ill to another. And the hate does hurt and when you begin it it will hurt you too. It is the oldest double edge sword. So though there may be some shame in looking stupid at a party saying hundreds of Wiccans were burned (false information) there is gigantic amounts of shame in saying that the person talking the false info needs to be burned. If all the energy to create hate sites and blog hate for stupidity was replaced with patience and respect you'd attain your goals you claim to have, ridding of the negative attributes, much more easily. I imagine that there are many here that know the teaching of the greats like Gandhi, MLK and Hitler, being the "well educated" folks you claim to be. Congrats. If you have ever learned about any of these greats Hitler is the only one that can covet your ideas without shame. Hope you're all proud. |
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